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Hey Folks,
Just bought this off eBay, mostly because the scene is interesting to me, the clouds are something I've seen on few pieces. Curious how you all would date this. I will of course post better shots in the sun when I get it.
I did find an example of a bowl with a similar design , I'll link below, dated to the first half of the 18th century. I am kind of torn between Kangxi and Yongzheng.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Hey All,
I did find this one, but I think it is earlier than mine.
I am leaning towards the end of Kangxi into Yongzheng, especially because of the red pagoda walls, seemingly a feature of late Kangxi into Qianlong.
Jeremy
Looks nice and is out of the ordinary. I agree with your dating, back rim decoration is typical.
Birgit
I noticed that one, we must be looking at the same things as you said. 😊 Lovely plate. I'd say it is good for around the dates you suggest, too.
I took a gander through Ebay France, was tired of looking at only the US listings, and a lot doesn't appear on the app. Unfortunately by the time my check cleared this morning only three of the eight I had saved were still up. 😫
Its a strange tree? in the foreground of the plate, quirky, I guess that's what drew me in.
So far the Sotheby's one is all I have found... such an odd one.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Mark,
Thank you!
Example of what I wonder?
I think both @shinigami and @julia nailed the date down, but what an odd pattern!
I hoped I’d figure it out, but it is truly an unknown for me. I have found one like it but no others, and for me that is odd. Once I dig my teeth in I expect I should find a few. That Sotheby’s one and the two at Dresden are it…. Why do I dive into the oddball pieces?
jeremy
I was thinking about the trees with their odd straight trunks and foliage-type stuff at the top. Could they be palm trees? My neighbour has a trachycarpus fortunei which is called a Chinese windmill palm in English. Here is a photo from wikipedia:
Hey Folks,
So magically, with seemingly the fastest international mail I have ever seen, the plate arrived this morning. It sure is beautiful. The color is much deeper in person compared to the previous photos, and the cobalt so much richer. Here are a few new shots in the sun.
I think you are onto something with the Chinese windmill palms, it seems that they are occasionally seen on Ming transitional pieces, and kosometsuke wares as well...
Cheers,
Jeremy
That is really nice, Jeremy. I missed out there. 😉 😊
Interesting about the palms. I wasn't able to find anything on other pieces, but when I see my neighbour's, I can't help seeing the similarity.
When we moved over, I found a baby growing in our garden. To be honest, it looked like a weed but I took the chance and potted it up. It is about 2 years old now and still only about 10 cms high! 😆
Thanks Julia, you'll get the next one for sure.
I actually struggled to find other examples online, but I can't remember if you are still on Gotheborg, if you are you should search for palm trees, there are a few threads with posted palms, Tianqi through Guangxu, and I was amazed to see that they always look like this.
As for growing palms, I know they can be really really slow. When I was a child my grandfather actually planted a few from seed, and I think by the time he passed, and the house sold, only one was still alive, and was only about 4ft tall. 10cm at two years seems pretty fast! I have a dogwood that I planted after finding it in the bushes while weeding, it flowers every year but it is tiny.
Cheers,
Jeremy
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