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can someone help me on this carved inscription thanks
See the name "Wang Guang Bei, at Jing de jen, with Chinese cyclical date ren xu (either 1862, 1922, or 1982)"
What is this item?
it is a ox blood vase
Hi Ken m - could you possibly post some more images of this ox blood vase?!
Stuart
The vase with the triangle damage has been discussed here before but I don’t remember what came out of it.
Birgit
Dear Ken m,
Like Brigit I seem to recall an item being posted on another thread with the same damage. But I don't think it had an inscription so maybe it was a different item. Think that sort of damage is called a kiln kiss caused by packing items to close together in the kiln. The base of the Ebay vase seems to have been ground which is typical of 19thc and later wears of this type so that fits in with the inscription. At over 21 inches it certainly would make a big display vase if you can live with the damage
Michael
I have a general question, if that is ok?
I find it interesting that the inscription on the base looks to have been done in the same way that people wrote their ownership marks on their plates (I think I posted some late 19th/early 20th c examples a couple of weeks ago).
Is it acceptable to use that similarity as a means 0f loosely dating an item? Or is that an age-old technique that extends well beyond the period I mentioned?
Good observation Julia. The inscription was indeed made after the vase was fired. The seller says it could have been a temple vase so maybe it’s some kind of dedication. Seems ok for the time suggested.
Birgit
hey guys and girls, thanks for all the replys. yes it is the same vase. I was able to pick it up at the auction house and was surprised to see the inscription. it was not photographed or described in the listing.
Dear all -
In response to Julia question, the history of inscriptions and owners marks is complicated and a specialist subject in itself.
A large Yongle period blue and white ‘grape’ dish was sold, lot 264, Sotheby’s New York, 17/18 March 2015. illustrates this very well. This piece has a circular cartouche (vaqf) carved in base centre and is testimony to ownership by Princess Mahin Banu Khanun (1519-62), youngest daughter of the Safavid Shah Ismail (r. 1501-24), two inscriptions, one on the foot side, the other along the foot base, that are testimony to ownership by the Mughal Shah Jahan - construct of the Taj Maharl - and read ‘Shah Jahan ibn Jahangir Shah 16 (reganl year) AH 1053, coresponding with AD 1643-44, and this dish also has several unidentified drilled collectors marks.
Although very rare, there are several large Yuan Dynasty dishes known which include a short Arabic inscription, possibly a Persian name, either in underglaze blue on the exterior rim or moulded and reserved in white against blue on top of floral designs on the cavetto.
The two great Middle East collections in Istanbul and Iran contain hundreds of Chinese ceramics, both celadons and blue and white pieces with both inscriped and drilled marks. The Iranain Ardebil Shrine Collection has 774 pieces with the ‘vaqfnameh’ of Shah Abbas, another 94 pieces have the owner mark ‘Qarachaghay’ incised in a line or drilled in dots on the unglazed bases of dishes.
And inked inscriptions, an entirely different subject, bring there own complexities ...
Stuart
Dear all -
In response to Julia question, the history of inscriptions and owners marks is complicated and a specialist subject in itself.
A large Yongle period blue and white ‘grape’ dish was sold, lot 264, Sotheby’s New York, 17/18 March 2015. illustrates this very well. This piece has a circular cartouche (vaqf) carved in base centre and is testimony to ownership by Princess Mahin Banu Khanun (1519-62), youngest daughter of the Safavid Shah Ismail (r. 1501-24), two inscriptions, one on the foot side, the other along the foot base, that are testimony to ownership by the Mughal Shah Jahan - construct of the Taj Maharl - and read ‘Shah Jahan ibn Jahangir Shah 16 (reganl year) AH 1053, coresponding with AD 1643-44, and this dish also has several unidentified drilled collectors marks.
Although very rare, there are several large Yuan Dynasty dishes known which include a short Arabic inscription, possibly a Persian name, either in underglaze blue on the exterior rim or moulded and reserved in white against blue on top of floral designs on the cavetto.
The two great Middle East collections in Istanbul and Iran contain hundreds of Chinese ceramics, both celadons and blue and white pieces with both inscriped and drilled marks. The Iranain Ardebil Shrine Collection has 774 pieces with the ‘vaqfnameh’ of Shah Abbas, another 94 pieces have the owner mark ‘Qarachaghay’ incised in a line or drilled in dots on the unglazed bases of dishes.
And inked inscriptions, an entirely different subject, bring there own complexities ...
Stuart
There is nothing simple in this Chinese porcelain game. My brain isn’t large enough to take it all in, Thank you Ming for taking the time to answer Julia question, it added a bit more to my general knowledge of the topic. Now can I double the value of little kitchen Qing saucer with inscription, maybe all the way to the loft heights of $40??
Hi Ronm - again my pleasure. Take care whilst incising that Qing saucer - don't push to hard!!! ? ? ?
Stuart
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