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Hello,
I have this nice little mallet Vase here and I can't really pin down how old it is. (15cm high)
Hope you can help me out!
The shape looks like 18th century but the shape of the neck doesn't quite fit and the base is rather untypical.
Thanks a lot!
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Where did you get it from? Have you checked if the sticker is real? There is a lot of fakes with fakes stickers on the market now.
Hi...
I bought it on ebay with a late edo or early meiji chenghua copy censer.
I think the sticker is genuine. Some of these type of stickers can be seen at Sotheby's etc. I think I saw it there on a ming lacquer box... 🤔
I especially checked that before because I also saw some of these printed stickers. but this one is stamped.
with Best Regards...
Carsten
It would probably date to the Qing dynasty but the shape an the unglazed base is rather unusual. A ge-type mallet vase for comparison. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-ge-type-mallet-form-vase-qianlong-six-character-seal-mark-6096865-details.aspx
@avatar seen that two, which drove me to question how old it might be...
please note the light blue in the glaze. Hard to capture without a lot of light...
with Best Regards...
Carsten
oh... and also the shape is more conical... maybe a Kangxi Period piece?
with Best Regards...
Carsten
@avatar I was still thinking about the base of this mallet vase and I couldn't get it out of my head, thinking I saw this base before on a Song Dynasty Vase...
http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2020/03/03/38073872.html
This Song Dynasty Persimmon glazed Vase does have the same base in my opinion...
with Best Regards...
Carsten
I don't know about the vase, those sloping shoulders are quite distinctive though. What I wanted to add was that, to me, the sticker looks like it has been steamed off at some time, or got wet.
That might be for a perfectly legitimate reason, but on the other hand, it may have been taken from elsewhere.
@julia A very valid point! It seems as if someone wanted to take the sticker off at some point. But I don't think it was steamed off because the middle of the sticker on to the right side appear totaly unaltered. The stamp itself was smudged, when applying it to the sticker. D & S might have had an encounter with a waterdrop or it is just the initial smudging from stamping in the wrong angle.
Just my impression! I don't claim that to be correct 🤷
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Let me drawn out my thoughts on this Vase...
From my impression the shape of the vase does not compare to other pieces from the 18th century. While mallet vases from that period show a body similar to a beehive waterpot, the vase at hand has a conical shape ontop of a cylindrical shape. This shape is also not found on any early Song Dynasty mallet vases, as far as I can tell.
Also the neck at the vase at hand, is straight, most of later examples show funnel-shaped properties. But the base is, as shown above, in a Song Style with a very polished finished.
The material used is not stoneware as in Song pieces and also not as white as later examples. Also this vase has a 'Iron Wire & Gold Thread' crackling resembling the Song Style. But that can be found on later pieces too but was very favoured during the late Yuan and early Ming Dynasty which saw a first rivival of Ge-type wares in reminicens of the Song Dynasty by scholars. Since this vase is obviously a scholar's one...
The glaze has a blueish tinge to it, as can be seen in one of the pictures above. From what I know this is a feature of the used overglaze during the Ming Dynasty, while Song Dynasty pieces used a greenish celadon overglaze layer and since Guan- and Ge Ware originated from Celadon glazes, early pieces have a green tinge to them.
So in conclusion I would date this to the early Ming Dynasty...
Looking forward to your opinions on these thoughts.
🤓
with Best Regards...
Carsten
ok... after laughing... 🤭 I would like to have a conversation here about the vase. A one liner l...à la
An attractive looking Vase but no real age.
is not really helpfull if I should learn something in this forum. Have you handled a lot of Ge-Type ware? what is it that makes you think it is newer?
Sorry to drag on this...
As for a small starting read about Ge Ware...
http://www.gotheborg.com/glossary/ge.shtml
It's not detailed but giving an impression on the development of Ge and Guan...
Also this gives a nice inside...
https://books.google.com/books/about/Chinese_Glazes.html?id=NGw8DUuNywYC
Thank you!
Carsten
with Best Regards...
Carsten
The shapes of Chinese vases often had very important significance, and such is the case for mallet vases. Consequently, adherence to the shape was very important up until the end of the Qing and into the 20th c.
Finding a vase with an unusual shape should be a red flag. It's not to say that you couldn't have found a rare 'one of a kind' prototype form, but it is increasingly unlikely that a vase with no provenance not only has a rare glaze from the Ming dynasty, but also is has a 'one of a kind' shape.
Additionally, crackle glaze like your vase can also be found on Japanese, American, and European ceramics from the 19th c. until present.
So, while I think your vase is pleasing to look at, but I'm not convinced it is Chinese, primarily because the shape is so far from what Chinese mallet vases look like.
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