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 johnshoe
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Topic starter 08/06/2021 10:34 pm  

Anybody have an opinion on this folding fan? Is it something of quality or just some tourist item? I'll await your wisdom.  John

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09/06/2021 12:13 am  

Hi John,

probably sharper pictures would help for a forum members to inspect a  hand fan. Your hand fan made as they call from "rice paper".

Better quality picture on a "screw" would help a little bit more as well I guess - not sure at this point is everything what's there, is it hand painted or printed...

 

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09/06/2021 12:38 am  

Interesting grain on the spokes, wonder what it might be?


   
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Topic starter 09/06/2021 7:43 am  

@lucky  I think it is hand painted but I'm not positive. The solid border lines have some variation which seems hand painted. But it is done very neatly, so I was wondering that myself. 


   
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Topic starter 09/06/2021 7:45 am  

@sharonp  I was thinking it is probably made of bamboo. It's a pretty natural grain with nice variations of color. It's put together very nicely. It closes up very smartly, like a turtle in it's shell. 


   
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Topic starter 09/06/2021 8:34 am  

Here's a few more close ups. It looks hand painted to me. You might not be able to tell, but in the right light you can see the pagodas have a little extra shine to them. I also found what appears to be a seal mark on the end I hadn't noticed before. 

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09/06/2021 8:50 am  

I don't know much about fans, but perhaps see if you can compare it to a fan you know is hand-painted (there must be some online) and see if how well the paint goes into the cracks and whether there are signs of mis-alignment as can be seen in that 3rd photo (top row to the right) in the set you have just put up? 


   
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09/06/2021 9:46 am  

Pictures are " Four Famous Buddhist Mountains: Ermei Mountain, Wutai Mountain,...."  The back of fan is "Tang shi- Tang poem". Most likely it's hand painted- Chinese still hand painted the fans today. 


   
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Topic starter 09/06/2021 12:11 pm  

@yinchris  Thanks so much for the information! Do you know if this is this a common mass produced item or something more unique?

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Topic starter 09/06/2021 12:42 pm  

Found this article which has a little info about the history of making these: http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/ctenglish/2018/ich/201806/t20180606_800131720.html


   
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10/06/2021 1:49 pm  
  • @johnshoe mountains and poems are common used on Chinese fans, the only way can tell if it is worth to collect is depend on the seal (the artist). 

   
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Topic starter 10/06/2021 7:02 pm  

@yinchris  Thanks for the info. Do you know a resource where I can search for the seal? 


   
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12/06/2021 8:36 am  

@johnshoe Honestly it's not easy since there are over 40K Chinese characters with all different styles. Here is the website I use, still have problem to find some artist. Good luck!!!

https://www.cidianwang.com/zhuanke/

 


   
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14/06/2021 11:34 pm  

There's a lot to say about this fan.

First, the underlying fan appears to be a fine black paper fan of a well-known type produced in Hangzhou.  The struts are probably purple bamboo.  These plain black fans represented the quintessential gentleman's fan, and were widely and inexpensively (by American and European standards) available until very recent times.  Apparently, they are still produced, but with the advent of widespread air conditioning and the adoption of modern styles, you will probably not see many on the streets today.  Here's a link to a producer's site.

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Second, although I can't tell whether this fan is hand-painted, I would venture to say that the calligraphy is undistinguished and, moreover, what scholar would copy a bunch of Tang poems, willy-nilly, onto the back of a fan?  Please note, in addition, that the inscription is entirely in post-1950's simplified characters, so that would give us a starting point for the dating.  Recall, though, that the Red Guards were busy vandalizing temples and smashing cultural relics until well into the seventies, so a date for this fan would more likely be the last quarter of the 20th century or later.

So, this fan is not a piece of fine art, painted and inscribed by a famous artist, and is probably not worth a lot of money.  

My guess is that this fan was purchased as a souvenir by a visitor to one of the four Buddhist mountains painted on its face.  I wouldn't completely dismiss it, though - I think it still has a story to tell.    Looking at this fan, I'm reminded of the role played by fans, especially folding fans, in Chinese art and culture.  From time immemorial, the folding fan has been a ubiquitous accessory of the Chinese gentleman.  Again and again, you will see scholars and officials portrayed holding fans; the attached pictures show a Kangxi bowl from the Jie Rui Tang collection and a 19th/early 20th century ivory figure of a scholar (probably Liang Shanbo).  Fans were used not only for cooling oneself, but often as a prop - to gesture with or to dramatize a point.  If you have ever watched Chinese "kungfu movies", you will see that folding fans are sometimes even used as weapons.  Japanese drama - Kabuki or Nô, for example, also makes prominent use of fans.  In addition, fans and abstracted fan shapes are a common decorative motif in Chinese art and architecture.

Regards,

John

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Topic starter 15/06/2021 8:38 am  

@jjytlee   Thanks for the info. At any rate, it's a pretty thing to have around. I do believe it is hand painted and carefully done, so I will enjoy it for the time being. My wife likes fans so perhaps it will get some use this summer. Cheers!


   
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