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Hello,
I've bought this vase, I need to collect it, so I only have screen shots. It's an unusual shape, seems very well enamelled, it's 21cm tall, so quite detailed. There's a poem on the reverse, not sure on script, but figure it's a lot of work to render these characters so small. I wonder what you guys make of it?
I am not confident to say much about this. May I ask what the seller described it as and where you got it?
It has lovely decoration and it would be wonderful if it were of the period or just after, but I have a few reservations eg in the pictures the gold rim looks off and the foot with the splodges and shape makes me think early 20th c.
Of course, these types of wares are copied and sold online out of China. I look forward to hearing what others think.
Thanks everyone for the input,
I thought it could be 19th century because of the dark patches in the yellows, at the foot which you can see in the 2nd photo. Reminds me of other c19 pieces I've had before, but the photos aren't good enough to tell. I'll have to wait and see when I get the vase..
Also the iridescence in the enamels in the 2nd photo, but this isn't always good as can be copied these days...
Keep us advised please. In any case, attractive, and it will definitely be old someday.
I picked up the vase this morning and it's really a very nice thing. It looks quite different from the online photos I originally posted. The surface is kinda of dimpled (tried to show this in the first photo). It looks to have some authentic age to me. The gilt gold is quite different from how it looked in the original photos I posted. There is some iridescence in the dark areas of the tree branches which I have seen in original qianlong vases. (I'm not saying it's period..). And some iridescence in other areas. It doesn't show up in daylight so will post some.more pictures. It would be interesting to know what the difference between authentic and simulated iridescence is.
Wonder what you guys make of the new photos..
The upper gold rim looked totally different in the first pictures. If the seller photoshopped them he didn't do himself a favour. Also his pictures are too bright. It's much nicer in reality and in my eyes the gold and other features now look ok for the Republic period.
Birgit
Result! A bit dodgy buying a vase without seeing it but hopefully it will pay off..
Hi Thomas,
On reflection with the new pictures I now revise my earlier post.
I believe it's a excellent example from the Republic period and not later as I originally suspected.
I would though, try to decipher the calligraphy. There maybe a artists name within.
The gold gilt looks good and not as I originally thought was gold paint. The turquoise blue is correct and not the bluish colour we see in later periods. There appears to be light wear which is consistent. All the colours are correct for said period.
It's beautiful painted and I think you have done very well here.
Mark
I believe this vase is hard to pin a date to it but I’m leaning early Republic period and was most likely painted by an imperial workshop artist. I would suggest having Christie’s take a look.
Maybe have Peter take a look at it. Looks to have some enamel loss but it's a sweet little vase a seems to have some nice age. I'd guess late 19th to early 20th. I agree with Mark, you should get the script translated. John
@lotusblack thanks Brian, I'm excited now because you are usually very dismissive and usually correct with your wealth of knowledge. Also everyone else of course, as I think you all know more than me for sure.
I agree it's hard to pin a date in it. Maybe the iridescence might give us a clue. I don't know how long it takes for enamels to become iridescent, also I've had iridescent pieces in the past that were faked. Infact I watched a video of a guy in china going around a market and if anything was iridescent he would right It off immediately as fake.
So let's assume this vase has age as we seem to agree and it also has iridescence. Here are some photos compared to some screen shots of the sothebys shoe box deer vase, which shows it in the tree trunks. Its easier to see it in the video than the screen shots. I'm not implying that the vase is period, but it would be good for us all to know more about iridescence, if anyone has knowledge to share. How long it takes to happen etc, which might give us a better clue to its age.
I don't know enough about enamels or other factors to right It off as period. If you do, we'd like to know why it isn't, for reference. seems we think as, I did originally, that it's late c19 or republic. But is there any chance it could be c18?
I'll try to get a translation, maybe I'll start another post here or ask my Chinese friend.
Here's the attic vase video
https://www.sothebys.com/en/videos/the-lost-imperial-chinese-vase-found-in-a-french-attic
And screen shot comparison.
@thomasumjohnson my collection of late Qing to early Republic is my specific taste. I try to find workshop workers pieces. I see nothing wrong with this vase that gives me pause.
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