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Topic starter 21/02/2021 12:32 am  

These are reminiscent of Chinese dragon cups in Qianlong style, but I assume they are later and possibly Japanese? The mark is a mystery to me though. Might these be Meiji? One is repaired, but not with kintsugi, unfortunately. The enameling seems pretty nice.

Thanks, Todd 

0DCDC38D 5111 48AD 8DB9 05D559E91443
08BE113F 10B0 4231 B8E6 899484B8F7FA
5B399782 1D89 469E B7A7 0B7F74F6BDFF
34146A3D F80F 4D99 919B 564CFB1FB1B7
177340A5 4337 4FEE B684 448D871BB595

take it with a grain of salt


   
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21/02/2021 1:10 am  

Lovely cups.  Look up Euraku  Wazen   I believe these are made by him.


   
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21/02/2021 1:13 am  

https://chano-yu.com/famous-japanese-potters-and-marks/  

Eiraku Wazen is the sixth one down. 


   
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21/02/2021 1:29 am  

Hi Todd, 

A couple of very nice bowls you have found. 

Thanks to Jeremy Beer you now know more about these. 

Mark 


   
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21/02/2021 1:32 am  

@jbeer2121 Nice catch Jeremy.


   
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21/02/2021 1:35 am  

@sharonp

Thanks.  The site is a great read and super helpful. 
Cheers


   
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21/02/2021 1:40 am  

@watership Excellent find Todd, nice orange dragon, good shot of the mark and orange peel. Congratulations, Sharon


   
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Topic starter 21/02/2021 1:45 am  

Hi Jeremy, looks like you nailed it, thanks and well done!

Thanks Mark and Sharon 

Lest anyone get too excited for me, these are small objects, just 3.2” wide 🙂 

take it with a grain of salt


   
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21/02/2021 2:05 am  

Good things come in small packages. 👍😁

Great find for your collection or other! 

Mark 

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21/02/2021 2:14 am  

What lovely cups, Todd! You have found some very nice things recently. Are you going to a different place?


   
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21/02/2021 2:26 am  

Wow..
@watership you just keep the cool things coming!
As others said, seal of Eiraku.

(If you wish) some extra notes: 
I cannot say with absolute certainty these were from the Wazen workshoppe(s) specifically, or that they are definitively Meiji (due to subsequent generations tributing antique styles quite accurately). 
At one point, there were 3 individuals with the title of Eiraku working throughout Japan in the later 19th century, so sometimes it can be hard to pin down exactly who/which/where; as this seal was used by subsequent generations - and even the predecessor, Hozen.

However, a Meiji dating if provided by somebody more familiar would certainly not surprise me either; and all pieces (be that Wazen, Tokuzen, or Myōzan) from the lineage enjoy high regard and passion from collectors to this day. 
(A recent antiques auction I was viewing online last week had several generations sold, and the contemporary ones sold for just as much by a very receptive audience). 

My congrats extended once more!

-JRN

Bonus:
I love the Chinese style being so prominent and bold..
Dragon + flaming pearl & clouds, waves, ect make this a wonderful find by you; and quite a unique one.


   
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Topic starter 21/02/2021 2:30 am  

Hi Julia,

Thanks 🙂 . Yesterday I was out all day, went to seven shops. And your instinct is correct because three of the shops were brand new to me, and at which I found the nicest items. 

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Topic starter 21/02/2021 2:37 am  

Hi JRN,

The extra notes I do wish 😀 and greatly appreciate. You certainly have quite a wide breadth of knowledge in this field. I was unfamiliar with this family, other than vaguely recognizing the name Hozen. I do love to learn though. Thank you!

Todd

take it with a grain of salt


   
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21/02/2021 8:50 am  

@watership 

Hi Todd - 

Lovely pair of cups you’ve found, congratulations on acquiring ...

Stuart 

 


   
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21/02/2021 9:10 am  

Hello Todd,

You have been busy. Like your cups. I found this dictionary of Japanese potters and their marks. I like it as you can search under the shape of the mark which cuts down on ploughing through 100's of random marks. If you are lucky enough to find a mark that matches something you have it gives a potted history of the maker. If you already know the name of the potter there is an alphabetical search function as well. I have found it useful. 

Cheers

Michael

https://japanese-ceramics.com/category/japanese-potters/japanese-potters-a-japanese-potters

 

   


   
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