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 Ang P
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Topic starter 23/03/2021 12:35 pm  

does this plate look 18 century to you guys? 13 inch across. about 10inch high. thank you!

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23/03/2021 12:39 pm  

Do you have a shot of the bottom?

The shape definitely could fit into the late 18th century or early 19th.  I had one a few years ago with a flat un-glazed bottom with a similar shape and pattern I sold as circa 1810, based on the family's recollection of when they had had it since.

Check this one out, similar pattern...  https://www.lot-art.com/auction-lots/Chinese-18th-Cent-Peacock-Export-Porcelain-Platter/572-chinese_18th-13.12.19-seattle

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23/03/2021 2:05 pm  

Do you have a picture of the back?


   
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23/03/2021 6:53 pm  

@nyccat

The photo is not very good but it definitely looks mid-late 18th c. to me. I'd want to see the back of it to be sure and maybe closer, clearer photos. 


   
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Topic starter 23/03/2021 7:20 pm  

@steve @lotusblack @jbeer2121

sorry, I don't have clear-er picture because it's not mine. LOL also the price in the back is pretty crazy. no? the link you posted, the drawing of that plate seems way more delicate. thinner brush? way prettier.  also the linked plate only sold for $60? 

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Topic starter 23/03/2021 7:35 pm  

🙁 this plate is already at over $200 now. is that reasonable? is it worth bidding more?  


   
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23/03/2021 8:13 pm  

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Yup! It looks kosher!

If there's no damage or repairs I'd say it's worth about $150-200.

I've seen ones like this in this diamond shape. I have two in the rectangular/8-sided form: one large one smaller. Pictured is the larger one, about 16" wide.

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23/03/2021 8:14 pm  

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If you love it it is. Considering it's size, I wouldn't pay more than $300 for it, and that's only if I had to have it. 

Keep in mind that there are plenty more where that came from. Maybe not the exact shape/size/image, but many like it. 

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23/03/2021 8:17 pm  

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I think someone got very lucky for that platter at $60...  That tray is less delicate in design though the contrast being so high it probably washes out some of the intricacies and the price on the back is way high in my opinion (maybe they priced it 20 years ago when the market on export in the US was way hotter).  1780s-1810ish is my best guess.  I am usually buying for resale, so to me I'd be out at probably $150~, but if you like it and intend to keep it maybe $300.


   
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Topic starter 23/03/2021 8:29 pm  

@jbeer2121 @steve  Thanks for your insight! I did not win it.  It went for a little bit above $300.  $354 to be exact. oh well...you are right. I don't have to have it. I take it as a good learning experience! 


   
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23/03/2021 8:32 pm  

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Ah, that's too bad. You've got something to hunt for now. 😀 


   
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Topic starter 23/03/2021 8:39 pm  

@steve yeah, it was in really good condition. but I don't like to overpay 😀  or I guess I didn't like it as much as others did. 


   
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24/03/2021 12:13 am  

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Another one will come along.  I have found that as far as Ebay goes items very well may be put in the wrong category.  So it never hurts to look for a 18th century Chinese blue and white plate by searching English blue and white transferware plate.  For example I found a piece of 18th century Worcester under Vintage Asian porcelain.  


   
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24/03/2021 6:07 am  

These are not rare and you never know what hidden damages there might be under the awful steel hangers. Also I thought the painting quality was only medium with no great details. Keep on searching- that’s  part of the fun in collecting. 

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Topic starter 24/03/2021 9:17 am  

@opal26 thanks for the tip. lol but sometimes I can't tell between the 2. my eye is not as sharp yet. haha


   
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