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This was a find yesterday in a junk shop, and cleaned up nicely. The foot is very thin, trimmed neatly, beveled, and has that pinking oxide in the clay where the glaze hadn't reached. The motif inside is a Fu dog on a tea table. I don't recognise the 'shop' mark which is gilded. There is a chip on the side which was full of gunk which was easily cleaned. It was very dirty all over but now looks good. I don't recognise the Imari pattern. So, I have no idea of the age. The inside is covered in micro-scratches and the gilding delineation around the dog and table is worn right out.
Any comments or idea would be very welcome!
A nice find! To me it looks Kangxi with the gilding and probably the red too added in Europe.
Birgit
I believe that this is a bowl.
Japanese imari ware from Edo /Meiji period 1800-1912.
Nice little find.
Mark
In the meantime, I found two separate depictions of the same type of table, both from Kangxi porcelain. I do realise that symbols and motifs abound through time and place, but I'm happy to show what I found. See what you think!
@shinigami This technique was known as 'clobbering'? No? Very interesting. This little gem gets more and more interesting!!
Hi Shaun -
Not really my area, but …
The overall painting and single blue line drawn on outer edge of the base indicates, probably, Japanese …
Concur with Birgit @shinigami in that the gold/red were added later somewhere in Europe …
Stuart
@shaunadavies Clobbering for the red and gilding for the gold. Both is done tastefully here. Sometimes they didn't respect the original blue and white pattern.
Birgit
@shinigami I am truly astonished! I am glad that I sometimes go on gut feeling and instinct. I also read a lot so perhaps some of it actually does sink in!
I would agree that this is Japanese, but until I saw the line around the inner footrim, I also wondered if it was a piece of clobbered Kangxi porcelain. 😊
It has a very nice foot. I agree with Mark that it is probably late edo/ Meiji. The blue line wasn’t usually so close to the foot in the Meiji period, but it was sometimes on earlier pieces and certainly it moved back there on some pieces in the Showa period, but I don't think that gold clobber would have been added in Showa nor would the porcelain look like it does.
If it is Meiji, the position of the blue circle may be due to the small size of the base, but there is a good case it may be earlier.
@julia Thanks for the input. 🙂 At least we have a variety of opinions here to consider, all of which are informed and reasonable. Personally, I am inclined to think Chinese because of the dog and the table motif, but only because I have not seen examples of precisely these 'precious objects' (especially the table) in Japanese ware. Perhaps someone has an example? There are many aspects to the little dish to think about, and this makes for interesting discussion, all of which is very pleasing! I wonder if Peter Combs might have a view? I agree that the foot is very neat and trim. I thought clobbering referred to Chinese pieces mostly? What is not shown is that the outer rim was once gilded, but this is almost impossible to photograph. More research!!
Thank you, Stuart. The other motif included the outer design is what I think is called a "scholar's rock" form. Here, it is repeated on both sides of the dish: the three-looped thing. Picture of one side:
Here is another example of the "scholar's rock" three-looped motif, easily found through online searching. Each example I found are attributed to Kangxi. I remain open to my dish being Chinese or Japanese - and I don't mind which in all honesty - but on the basis of what I am looking at, I'm still veering toward Chinese, but also because I can't find examples of such motifs in Japanese ware. I'm still looking.
I wondered if it could it be a Japanese blank decorated in China but that single circle is such a feature of Japanese pieces. I don't think I have seen it on Chinese wares. Or could it have been painted by a Chinese artist in Japan?
There also looks to be blue smudges on the base, which seems unlikely for Kangxi. In fact it is something I tend to associate with Japanese pieces dating around 1900, but that is most likely due to my lack of wider experience with other eras etc.
It is very interesting, maybe you should ask Peter?
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