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29/10/2022 5:32 pm  

@johnshoe It's very pretty, but the brush work (and other aspects) seems to suggest mid to late 20th c.


   
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30/10/2022 2:41 am  

I agree with Tim, the work around the bottom borders is reminiscent of what one sees on later 20th c pieces. I would love a photo with the lid on, it would be good to work out what it is.


   
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Topic starter 30/10/2022 6:56 am  

 

Here's a few more close ups in the sun.

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30/10/2022 8:11 am  

What do you think the characters over the door say? Have they been written over?

Some of the people/horses are looking good for an earlier date, but there are aspects of the painting that look later. Sorry to keep saying it, but it might help if we see the whole thing as shape is an important consideration.

What is your feeling about the age?

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Topic starter 30/10/2022 9:03 am  

@julia I actually decided to show it to Peter first so after that I'll share more. I'm feeling this is probably a later 19th c creation that was both utilitarian and decorative. I'm guessing it has to do with wine storage but we'll see what Peter says. Stay tuned for further updates coming soon!


   
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30/10/2022 9:44 am  

I shall look forward to it!  Fingers crossed you are correct.


   
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I got word back from Peter but before I tell you what he said I thought I would let you see it fully in case anyone wants to make any more guesses about it. It's 25 inches tall. 

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02/11/2022 9:59 pm  

@johnshoe,

My thoughts are republican period. 1912-1949.

It's sort of reminiscent of a famous painter at the time who specialized in blue and white. Wang Bu (1890-1962. He was a prolific and famous painter. Who was heavily copied/attribute but rarely has anyone come close to him. 

But it's not by him. 

Just my initial thoughts. 

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03/11/2022 10:23 am  

@johnshoe 

John,

First things first... was it filled with candy?

secondly , I feel that there are aspects of it that fit late 19th century, but also some, especially the the bottom border, that make me think 20th century.  I'm guessing first half of the 20th century, total guess though.... I wouldn't be surprised if it was late 19th.

Also what an interesting form, I have never seen that before.... very cool.

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03/11/2022 10:23 am  

What is it? The mind boggles at the possibilities of purpose, early oil can for the corner garage?


   
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03/11/2022 11:33 am  

I still think the bottom border looks poorly done and like 1980s pieces, but I cannot think why anyone would make something like this in that period.  It isn't as though someone would say they had to have one of those, like they might a vase.  Nor do I think it is a deliberate later 20th c fake as why fake something we don't recognise - well maybe someone might. 

Perhaps it is a later copy of something, but I get the feeling it has been used so it must have had relevance when it was made.  Maybe the handles broke when some one lifted it when it was full?

Anyway, all things considered, I am going for around 1920. 

As for what it is, forgive me but is it some kind of urinal?


   
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Topic starter 03/11/2022 1:59 pm  

@julia That suggestion is a bit more pee than it is twee, but I would doubt that is what it is... unless it is from a time when giants roamed the earth.


   
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03/11/2022 2:37 pm  

Oh so it is really quite big? Didn't Peter know what it is?


   
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03/11/2022 3:07 pm  

@johnshoe I like that you slowly peeled back the piece from a small picture of a dragon to the base to parts of the body and THEN fully the entire object, kind of like a mystery unraveling. It is really a mishmash of a few different things, the dragon is... not very Chinese looking as others have said it looks like a cat, but the illustration on the front is like you said, depicts the Romance of the Three Kingdoms story, this is a very very popular scene on 19c B&W snuff bottles. Very confusing piece which I feel doesn't add up as a period piece. While I like the way the dragon is done, cute little kitty, it doesnt even have legs or claws, they are just cut off which is not appropriate so my guess would be 1900-1960 but could be later than that as others have suggested. There is just something not right about it. The form reminds me of these jars HERE.

@imperialfinegems Wang Bu, I can definitely see why you say that, the vibrancy of the blue is reminiscent but his paintings are more, watercolorly? They have a more ethereal aspect to them, like you're seeing birds on a tree in a dream kind-of-feel which this piece definitely doesn't have.

@julia I thought urinal as well however, you cant blame the guy for missing and hitting the floor as the hole is quite small unless you are supposed to put the whole.. thing.. in and go. It would make sense why it has a cap also. It is probably meant for something liquid, but it could be a rice holder? or just a fantasy piece. It reminds me of a supersized kendi.

Cant wait to here what Peter has to say.


   
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