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Hi Todd, great to have you back!
I’m wondering if this isn’t Chinese? The pattern seems to be ‘inspired’ by prunus blossom and the pattern in the cartouche is very much like the traditional Western Willow design. Both elements look like they’re ‘inspired’ by Chinese ware, rather than actual Chinese ware? The mark looks to stamped, maybe it’s an European or Japanese interpretation of a Chinese mark? The handle and spout have a European ‘feel’ to them too?
I’m probably way off! If so, it will be a great learning opportunity for me too when the experts give their verdict.
Nic
What a strange little jug. At first I thought Chinese but then like Nic, thought it looks more "inspired by" and the handle and top part definitely look European. However, that's a qianlong mark isn't it? I am not sure a European manufacturer would make such a clear (as in identifiable not blurriness) attempt at a Chinese mark - although 4 character marks should drop the da Qing , not the nian zhi so that must be a clue that maybe it isn't Chinese. Maybe Japanese? What is that little blue line also on the base?
Is it yours, do you know if it is hand-painted? It almost looks as though it is a converted ginger jar but I don't think many people would go to the bother of that!
I think it’s a little Chinese for the English market, willow pattern creamer. I think this may be a case of the Chinese copying The English (Minton or Spode) and shipping it back to England. I also think it’s early maybe late 1700’s or early 1800’s. I think this because this little creamer is hand painted and almost all English willow pattern was transfer ware.
Hi Ron,
Thanks so much, that’s a pretty good argument. I don’t know enough about this type of thing to even have an opinion. The total cost would be around $40 including shipping. If it is indeed genuine, would it be worth quite a bit more than that? Have two more days to decide.
Birgit, are you quite certain its deliberately aged or is it more of an instinctual feeling, but not written in stone? The pictures aren’t the greatest...
take it with a grain of salt
Note that the mark is stamped, so if Chinese it would be post 1870 anyway. It looks aged to me, brown stuff rubbed into the surface and the gold deliberately worn. But I have only a tiny screen to judge, so maybe someone knows better.
Birgit
Ron may be right, I don’t know. But I would’ve assumed that any painter in China in any period would’ve been able to paint the prunus blossom more accurately? The willow pattern in the cartouche is absolutely a British transferware icon, but I’ve never seen prunus blossom on British ceramics. But that does not mean examples don’t exist, of course.
Even at $40 if you like it the price is not unreasonable, even if it turns out to not be Chinese... so long as it’s old and not modern made to look old.
I have two miniature teacups that, it is generally believed, are not Asian, even though they have marks trying to indicate that they are. I mention this because it may suggest that European factories were adding stamped Asian-style marks to make an item appear more fashionable and desirable? The main difference is that both the marks and the pattern are transferprinted on these.
The plot thickens!
Nic
Its definitely dirty, which worries me. There have been instances in which I’ve purchased dirty items, and when I got home and cleaned them up, my opinion on the age changed for the worse. Maybe I’ll take a flyer... it would be interesting to wash it up and see what I’ve got.
take it with a grain of salt
Hello All,
In my humble and uneducated opinion all the marks shown in this thread look Japanese to me. Also the jug looks slightly clobbered to me think the gold may of been added later this based on the color on my screen. I know the Chinese did do it but in my limited experience marks contained within a square mostly originate from Japan. Plus the Japanese in the late 19th and early 20th c copied European shapes for export.
Michael
Nic,your Teacup is English 19th c with what looks like 'bat printed' decoration rather than a transfer.
The chipping reveals an absorbent paste so possibly not porcelain,or at least not hard paste porcelain. Shine a light through the body.
The Jug looks like it has a Qianlong printed Mark so I'd say late 20th c.
Shine, yes I see the stippling. Nic you can date your tea cups to late Georgian, first quarter 1800’s.
Now back to your little jug, willow pattern originated last quarter 1700’s. Give it four or five years to become popular the design makes it to China lets say 1800 whether by a commissioned order or Chinese copying of an English porcelain. The Chinese ship the hand painted willow copies back to England. In the early 1800’s porcelain fever was still strong in England., any thing made in exotic China was superior to domestic transfer wares in the eyes of of the English. A little bit of research indicates, the transfer process did not reach China until late second quarter of the 1800’s.
So in my mind, your jug is some where about the first quarter 1800’s.
Now I must admit this timeline is speculation, so I could be totally wrong. Needs more research, and another example would be nice. But it does make for a good discussion.
I have been doing some research into an early transferware item that I wish to sell. I read that the two birds were later additions to the design. I don't know if that is useful or not.
Look what I have just found - and it wasn't the only one, there was another jug on Pinterest only Ebay can't find that.
This has the same mark, not claiming to be period made.
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