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I recently bought this plate and want to know more about it.
The plate is 19 cm.
Is it Chinese or Japanese?
How old is it?
And does it have any value?
Best, Mark
Hello Markie
IT Chinese ,The stile is of famillie rose, the age probably late 17th,century it could be later.
for value you can go on eBay price is on size and condition
Hi Markie,
I think it might be 20th century. The mountains in the painting make me think Japanese but I am not sure. The border on your plates reminds me of two plates, I have and I think they may be Japanese.
Hopefully, someone with more experience will be able to tell you more.
Best wishes,
Julia
Hello Margie,
Your plate is Chinese and so is Julia the young girls are tall and slim and
on japanese painting they are smaller and not as slim looking.and for age
the foot rim not showing age signs I look for it does have some age .
With my eyes go south on me I need close up pictures. Have to wait for
peter or one of other to help
Hi John,
That is interesting, thank you! I just thought the border resembled that on my plates which I think are early/mid 20thc. I am not sure mine are Chinese or Japanese but I still feel the mountains on Markie's plate look Japanese=style.
Best wishes,
JUlia
Hi Julia
on early Japanese porcelain on bottom you will see spurs mark and on
chinenese they stop doing. If you at Ming on in today Chinese porcelain there
gone and porcelain so much whiter on Chinese than Japanese I got site I'll
post. Clickwww.chinese-porcelain-art.com
You can get look at the different look famille rose ,famille verte ,Chinese Imari
it gives time lines. And prices
Good morning,
That is a lovely site isn't it? I find it very useful for all kinds of things.
Just to be clear, I don't think this is an early Japanese plate, so there being no spur marks is not an issue. I am not even convinced it is Japanese, I only said the mountains look Japanese-style and the border reminded me of some plates that I have (which I think may be Koransha). I was only making observations, my main one being that I do not think this is a very old plate (ie 17th century) but it could still be 100yrs old (ie 20th century) or thereabouts.
I really know very little. That being the case, may I ask what you think of the way the grass is depicted with those dotted lines? That also makes me think Japanese rather than Chinese. Am I wrong? I really would like to learn more about painting styles etc.
Best wishes,
Julia
Hello Julia
yes the grass was painted this way on peace i have seen this in museums peaces but on imperial
peace they painted to higher standards . Peter has some great videos. and early 20th century to now
japanese porcelain will be mark and so will Chinese if you start looking at there painting and stile
paintings it give you better idle of year . When start comparing two you'll see different.
Thank you. 🙂
Hi Julia and John,
Thanks for all your help, very nice to follow your opinions on the plate.
I know it is very hard to date, but What is save for me to say it is when I want to sell it?
Regards,
Mark
Hi Markie,
I have been looking at plates all day as I cannot rid myself of the idea that this is possibly Japanese. The things that make me think so are the mountains, the grass and the ladies shoes. As I said, I felt it was reminiscent of my plates which I thought I remembered identifying as possibly Koransha.
Anyway, after some searching I found this on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chinese-19thC-Three-Figures-Plate-Charger-Famille-Rose-Palette-10-Dia/152919784122?hash=item239abababa:g:4icAAOSw78Nahu2c
As you can see it is very similar. There is also a modern mark which I can't identify. Again, I felt this was Japanese, then when searching Gotheborg, I was reminded my plates may have been Yamatoku. So I searched on that and look what I found. Again, slightly different but same theme and the faces are much more like your plate.
https://www.antiques-atlas.com/antique/japanese_yamatoku_charger_/as737a273
I am not saying I am certain, and no disrespect to John intended either, but I do feel that you may want to compare your item with these (there are more similar ones if you search the internet) and from the information provided on the antiques atlas one, you may be able to say something about your plate. I think the ebay price may be more realistic but I think they have the date wrong. I still feel this is 20th century, possibly around 1920 but I really don't know. So, I would use the information you have on that website, look at other examples and just say things like, I think and it might be and that you are no expert and buyers are advised to do their own research.
Or maybe someone else can chip in and tell us exactly what it is. 🙂
Best wishes,
Julia
Sorry, I edited for typos!
Hello Julia,Markie
after looking harder at plate shape it fall to 19th early 20th cent. But most countries
like US after 1896 had to be mark where it from . So you have to go by colors used
and figures in art works with different time periods.
Thanks again Julia and John,
I bought the plate in Holland (Europe) from a local second hand thrift shop. (Think you call it so)
Maybe a bit of a naughty question but how would you price this little plate?
Regards,
Mark
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