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What’s your thoughts on this bowl.
is there any age to it.
Hi Richard,
The mark is a imperial mark :- Xienfeng 1850-61.
Its difficult to tell from your pictures if it's of the period or perhaps Republic period/later
Xienfeng imperial porcelain is extremely rare and very valuable.
Where did you find this one please?
Mark
I found it a auction.
what do you think about the shading on the famille rose.
thanks
richard
Look at the body: has is impurities like little bubbles or black spots? Is the porcelain rather grayish?
Birgit
Also quite a bit heavier than other bowls I’ve handled of similar size.
I didn't see this earlier, sorry I responded to another post. Basically, I had doubts it was m&p, could be guangxu/republic as Mark suggested but given the similar items on ebay, I was hesitant to give an opinion without handling it.
Maybe Mark could remove the other thread to keep replies in one place?
This design is known as 'spring blossom'.
Is the footrim perfectly smooth or is a slightly rough to touch?
Mark
Here's a real Xianfeng piece for comparison. As always Nordic Antiques provide perfect pictures where you can see the impurities in the porcelain and the somewhat rough footrim. I have a very similar bowl with almost the same decoration as their dish and it has been declared authentic by several experts, so I have no doubt about the Nordic Antiques piece being m&p. Note the different color and style of the tree trunk. But I don't know if that means much or if there were variations.
Birgit
Here is a similar pair of plates sold at bonhams (2022) and listed as Xienfeng - Guangxu period.
Thanks
here is is some more photos taken inside.
the foot rim is smooth to the touch
Should the foot rim be smooth or a little bit rough ?
I appreciate all the feedback
The issue with the foot and kiln grit was a major problem with some but not all porcelain during the mid 19th Century and was rectified during the early Guangxu period. Apparently it was some issues with the quality of the clay.
These were very turbulent times also. Hence porcelain production during the Xienfeng period was very limited for both imperial and non imperial wares.
During the Guangxu period it was popular to copy Tongzhi and Xienfeng marked porcelain.
This porcelain appears to be quite white which would be correct if it was imperial ware which I do not think it is as the quality although good isn't up to the standard.
Non imperial wares from this period were more of a greyish white with numerous pits and black spots throughout. But of course there are always exceptions.
At the moment I am in two minds about this piece. It's either late 19th Century or a much later example.
As @julia has correctly posted porcelain on this style and manner are currently very popular and hence the market place is flooded with copies.
Mark
The photos of Birgit's bowl are still on this site. I looked at them this morning and the bowl she has posted from Nordic Antiques is very similar. I felt this one under discussion didn't compare well to hers and that the style of trees appeared more like later pieces.
I also think the porcelain looks too smooth for Xianfeng. What puzzles me is the underglaze blue mark. They had to make that first before they applied the painting. Why use a Xianfeng mark when they produced the bowl about 30 years later? That would rather indicate a modern production, but the painting is quite convincing for late Qing.
Birgit
Your post has what looks like hollow lines within the strokes of the imperial mark which could further enhance the theory of late Qing.
The only drawback is what you described as unusually heavy which could indicate later. However this is very subjective.
Mark
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