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I think this bronze isn't modern. It was sold as Chinese 19th century but I think it looks more Japanese Meiji. The style is very unusually caricature like. Anyone know much about these?
@lotusblack Thanks Brian, that's what I thought. They are both the same, some photos of the auction listing the other are photos I took myself. The only thing is that Rob Michiels sold a similar (almost the same) one as 18/19th century chinese...
- @thomasumjohnson I am not confident this is Li Tieguai nor Chinese but that is just my opinion. I have owned authentic sculptures of Li Tieguai they don’t look like this. The thing is it’s impossible for anyone to know exactly who did it unless it’s marked or good history.
I'm thinking it must be Li Tieguai, from the double gourd vase he has...? The hands are very much meiji in style compared to Chinese bronzes. The first two are meiji, with more bones etc to the hands. The 4th photo is Chinese hand rendering.
Also the same style of rendering on the arm in the second photo, as the back on the head on the bronze in question.
also the double gourd vase
close up on hands again..
The poet Lu Bia has a gourd and a lot of immortal Li is always shown with the look of poverty very skinny ribs that show long hair and clothing that is of rags. Never seen Li wearing an imperial robe.
I was thinking that the cranes and clouds were just a reference to immortality, as with the lingzhi mushrooms on the base. But I see what you mean about him not looking like a tramp..
@thomasumjohnson The hands are well sculpted (lost wax), the patina does not show well, a little oil might show better, but perhaps you wish to leave well enough alone? It looks a fine piece. I see what you mean by the robe being more allegorical than literal, I love cranes, and I am far from imperial.
@lotusblack Did you oil your piece to bring out the patina or just leave it the way you found it? I only have one bronze and I'm thinking of givivg it some oil.
@lotusblack not sure which immortal this one is but it does have the same cloud motif on the coat. Not sure if it's an imperial coat or an immortal coat?
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@thomasumjohnson It was too late to edit my post, but in the mean time, I found an article by a Richard Rist that said not to oil, because it attracts dust, okay to apply some wax is better, which I think some of our members have recommended in the past, seems to jog a memory.
P.S. Richard Rist article is under the Large Art Company, address in Maryland. Says to paraphrase, "inexpensive can of Johnson & Johnson clear paste wax from a hardware store for about 5.99 a can should be enough to last for years, wash down first with Ivory soap (I always have that to use on my acryllic and gouache paint brushes) and use a soft bristle toothbrush to clean the dust from the crevices, do not scrub too hard, dry and apply the wax, should be good for a year or more and just dust during the year. You need to use the clear wax without any lemon or other scent or other chemicals to react with the bronze." Also, says Mohawk Blue clear paste wax is fine.
@thomasumjohnson Imperial coat is an interpretation as we have internet back in the past it was word of mouth maybe on rare occasions a newspaper. How we see an imperial or piece of clothing is much different than an artist from a small shop in Japan, China or even Vietnam. What I was saying is the jacket was of some great stature in a design of importance. The entire piece is a blend of cultures this is why I pointed to Japanese. Japanese were an are still fascinated with Chinese culture and art and have copied and changed it mythology to create their own. I found this today.
@sharonp I use to oil my bronze but one day I used Howard’s and was very satisfied with the results. I don’t use the oil or wax for patina but strictly conservation as it seals the bronze from oxidation etc corrosion. I recently acquired this beautiful Meiji period bronze vase from the Oshima Joun school. It is by JoHo simply Japanese bronze at its best.
@lotusblack Okay, I recently bought some Howard's wax to use on furniture but I'll try it tomorrow, the vase is lovely.
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