The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Dear masters and experts,
I bought this item in which the seller says that it is made of bronze. Is it true? Any one knows its approximate age? Thanks a bunch. luke
When I saw this first I assumed it was cast iron. Have you performed a scratch test?
Nic
Hi Nic, no. Please tell me how I do a scratch test. Thank you
Nic, I tried put a magnet on it and it doesn't attract it at all
Hi Luke,
find an inconspicuous place on the item (usually on the back) and, very carefully, scratch or file away a bit at the surface. This doesn’t need to be a large area, just enough to see what is underneath the surface. It will either be a brass/bronze colour or it will be black/grey. But go gently and take your time.
Depending on how much erosion there is on the surface, you may be able to perform the scratch test with a piece of wire wool, which is much less ‘invasive’, but this can be difficult if it is very ‘crusty’. Maybe some coarse sandpaper would work too.
If it isn’t magnetic, then that rules out iron. The scratch test should narrow it down further for you.
Nic
Will do as you suggested, Nic. Thanks a lot for your time and effort to answer my question
You’re welcome. You won’t need to remove a lot, the base colour should show through quite quickly.
Buffing the area afterwards should produce a shine that will highlight the colour too.
Good luck! Hope it is bronze!
Nic
There it is. Golden colour. So is it bronze or brass? or else?
Excellent!
it looks very weathered, there seems to be some black lichen spots when I enlarge photo 1? But there is no verdigris that I can see. That’s unusual for Bronze. Lichens would suggest being left outside for a long time, but one would expect to see verdigris on both bronze and copper?
I don’t know if this helps:
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Brass_vs_Bronze
The colour may be the best indicator? Copper is more gold in tone whereas bronze has a reddish hue. Maybe compare the scratch test site with pieces of copper and bronze?
You could also try buffing that bit to a high shine? That may reveal it’s True Tone?
Nic
Hi Luke,
In my opinion it's quite simple: bronze it's an alloy and there are quite a lot of variations, hence the objects appear a bit lighter or darker and their patina varies with different tendencies to oxidation etc. While solid brass or copper are commonly recognisable. Whoever once hold a brass in one hand and bronze in another will know the difference and unfortunately the touch is far better way to determine what are we dealing with rather than looking at a picture. However I think that there are spots that indicate your item is a bronze one - for example legs - they have a very typical patina for bronzes. The condition of the whole surface is a bit confusing. I don't know but only a bronze item that was buried in a ground for a long time should look like this, or if it was exposed to rain and wind. Anyway even if it has a strong brass component it's not a solid brass in my opinion, therefore it's an alloy and that's what bronzes are.
Very interesting item, I like the form and the whole composition, I like it 🙂
All the best,
Adrian
Feel free to browse the store:
www.malkaart.com
Inquiries:
[email protected]
My initial thoughts, artificially aged brass, I thought the consistency of the patination was too even. Looking at the rubbing, once again I thought brass. Looking though at some of the other pictures (the close up of the tail) I can concede to bronze.
Yes Nic, I buffed it to a high shine as you suggested and compared it to another bronze item in my possession in the form of a Javanese gong and the color looks exactly the same. The patination is enigmatic, I agree. Is it buried in the ground in a long time like Adrian has suspected? It could well be! Somehow I feel like this is also an ancient item similar to the dragon kendi I shared recently.
After some googling, I found a similar item, in style and ornamentation that is, but totally different in patination, which is in Asian Art Museum (Chong-Moon Lee for Asian Art and Culture, San Francisco). Please see attachment. Both chickens were acquired in Java. .
Thanks Adrian, I like it too. And the item looks so much better in real life. It seriously "lights up" the atmosphere unto whereever it is put.
Ronm, yes. It is not an easy guess at first. Like Nic, first I thought it was an iron cast but the magnet test proves negatif. The golden color is identical to a bronze gong of Java that I also own. Could this be one of the accustomed ways Javanese likes to make their alloy of bronze in this region of the world? Kindest regards, luke
Hi Luke,
Glad you got to the bottom of it! It is very much like the Javanese example.
If it is a finial, it’s very easy to imagine it toppling off it’s perchand being left in the ground.
Congratulations. It’s very eye-catching!
Nic
Thanks Nic. And thank you for guiding me through the process of find out what metal this is. Isn't it eye-catching? I think I should make the stand for this thing to set on
Hi Luke,
Yes, it would look great on a plinth of some sort, on a table against a light-coloured wall. It would also cast great shadows in the evening!
Nic
Latest Post: I'm about to bid on this cabinet. Our newest member: Bivvo Degnaccio Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.