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Hi everyone!
I just won this nice bronze Altar Vase at auction. I stumbled upon it, just before bidding was to be closed. Maybe 30 minutes left, so my research was not that steady. But I liked it and gave it a bid... and won.
Now I was looking into it some more and can't really decide on how old this bronze is. It has features like a Yuan Dynasty Vase but the patina is more likely Ming 🤔 The Quatrefoil shape is remeniscent of Song Dynasty Vases.
These are the pictures from the auctionhouse, at auction as 19th century:
with Best Regards...
Carsten
And this is a Quatrefoil Yuan Dynasty Vase from Ben Jensen with similar handles:
http://www.benjanssens.com/portfolio/bronze-two-handled-vase/
with Best Regards...
Carsten
@detuned As you pointed out, it seems to have traits from different eras. The neck seems a bit overly flared for earlier tastes. The work is interesting and attractive but still a little loose. Also the color is a bit more coppery than what I'd expect. I could be way off, but I wonder if it might be a Japanese Meiji piece done in the earlier Chinese style?
It does have something Japanese about it but I don't know enough about bronzes to offer an opinion. I wanted to ask if we can see the base and is that a dragon amongst waves around the foot?
@julia Sorry no pictures of the base. I have to wait for the vase to arrive to poste other pictures. And yes, that is also a yuan style dragon amongst waves.
@johnshoe I have my doubts that this is japanese. The loose work is what makes me doubt it. Japanese metal work is usually more suffisticated.
About the shape... I think you are right. The upper part of the mouth is a little elongated, compared to song or yuan pieces. This looks more like a 18th century vases... 🤔
Kangxi rivival?
with Best Regards...
Carsten
There are good possibilities with this but you will need an expert opinion. Here’s what I would do:
When you receive the bronze take several close up photos and send them to Peter for an opinion.
Let us know what the outcome is.
George
Bronze is so misjudged there are many gaps in information on bronze plenty of ritual bronzes that are unique to the individual or culture they are not just tomb relics. I have a Yuan bronze it was made for a wedding the markings on it reference to a fruit and the bronze and fruit symbolizes fertility. I can’t sell it because it’s not a common that shows up on Christie’s. I don’t see any issues with your bronze I did hear once Japanese handles are longer but I have debunked that rumor already. Here is another thing about bronze that is just silly. I hear if it has Japanese characteristics it must be Japanese that’s the get out of jail card. Well Chinese made export items for Japanese for like a long time. And for a whole lot of other markets I’m just saying.
Hey everyone!
So I have received the bronze vase today and I wanted to share some pictures, including the base. Inspecting it, I am very confident now that this Vase is probably an early Ming Dynasty piece...
This seems to be an older repair
and the Base:
with Best Regards...
Carsten
This is a modern vase. Still lovely though.
well okay, what makes you think so?
Looking at the patina it is very similar to this one sold at Koller:
with Best Regards...
Carsten
Ming bronze was known for casting defects during such times made casting repairs I have handled many Ming bronze’s with casting flaws the area that seems to have these flaws the most is the bottom of the foot. The absence of ware to the foot is a little concerning but have seen clean foots before.
Hi,
I like your bronze, and I saw it when you first posted it, but don't know really enough to comment with much accuracy. I think bronzes are very misunderstood( even by the pros), and from what I've read, something like 60-70% of the ones in museums are not as described, as the bronze composition has been tested, some are older some are newer, and some are Japanese, which were previously thought to be Chinese. The only super accurately dated ones, are excavated ones, and even then it seems ones sometimes claimed to be excavated in the 19th century, were sold as such, and are tested and found to be from that period.... I did read a thread on Gotheborg that said basically this, and had a download for the XRF results from a huge study( like hundreds of museum pieces), but I can't seem to find the download at the moment, also not really useful unless you have an XRF gun. So basically it all leaves me confused as hell... haha.
Personally, just from appearance I thought yours might be Japanese, just from the flaring mouth, and now the thinner foot, I just didn't really have a comp for you to agree with my suggestions.
This morning I was looking at a raku tea bowl in the Welt Museum in Vienna, great collection btw... and found a decent comp, not perfect but decent. I think I would look into Japanese bronzes if it were mine, and honestly I like it either way so to me it wouldn't really matter.
https://www.weltmuseumwien.at/object/?detailID=891559&offset=250&lv=list
Cheers,
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 You may be on to something!
Over the past few months my appreciation of bronzes has increased dramatically.
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