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Topic starter 16/09/2023 1:12 pm  

I realize monochromes are notoriously difficult to date. Would any be willing to offer an opinion? The lamp parts seem to be at least 100 years. Unfortunately lamped, which I undoubtedly will remove. Or would you

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Topic starter 16/09/2023 1:18 pm  

Two more photos. Strange glaze run unfortunately.

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16/09/2023 1:21 pm  

@centralpapottery 

Lamped vases are typically more valuable as lamps. 

I'm not sure of the age but I would guess late Qing. 


   
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16/09/2023 1:29 pm  

Looks Kangxi foot to me.


   
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Topic starter 16/09/2023 2:53 pm  

I was thinking that step back foot could be Kangxi, but how do you know? Better photo?


   
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Topic starter 16/09/2023 5:42 pm  

Would this be considered Powder Blue? 30 cm

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16/09/2023 11:18 pm  

This glaze was popular during the 19th century revival and the Kangxi period. The foot was also copied during the rival period but your foot has that oatmeal color. One thing that I don’t like is the two rings they are concerning. I mean don’t look refined for Kangxi but oddities happen.


   
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17/09/2023 2:22 am  

I don't think this is Kangxi, it could be a very late Qing piece or maybe after.  I am not sure it is powder blue, I am pretty sure the items I have (had) have a softer quality. 

It is a very nice lamp and as a lamp the run is hidden - I wondered what that was. My feeling is you probably wouldn't see that on a genuine Kangxi powder blue vase, it seems a bit careless. The rings look more recently done, too.


   
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17/09/2023 3:09 am  

Late 19th century in my opinion. On first glance the double rings looked too perfect which is always a warning sign, but they seem to be hand painted with an end at around 9 oclock. 

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17/09/2023 7:31 am  

@centralpapottery 

Hi - 

Concur with Julia@julia and Birgit@shinigami in this been late 19th century or later …

The base glaze does not appear to display known characteristics from Kangxi and the double rings look slightly strange … 

If possible, could you post some better images in natural light …? 

Stuart 


   
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17/09/2023 7:52 am  

Even if not Kangxi all is not lost.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/hundred-antiques-fine-and-decorative-asian-art/a-powder-blue-glazed-vase-qing-dynasty-19th


   
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17/09/2023 8:04 am  

It's a very nice and desirable monochrome.

I agree with other's that it's probably later Qing period or early 20th century.

One good sign is that the reflection is clearly seen. On newer piece's they are mostly but not always blurry.

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 17/09/2023 9:57 am  

Thanks everyone. I will try for a few extra photos (though supposed to be cloudy today) later but wanted to show these two. Rather than a glaze run near the lip, it seems to be a glaze skip. The second layer didn’t fully cover. Also, the second layer of glaze on the base seems to end just inside the inner blue circle.

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Topic starter 17/09/2023 2:44 pm  

I disassembled the lamp and washed the vase. A beautiful potting job and beautiful blue glazing job. There is a nic on the mouth rim. The porcelain is definitely whiter than the first pictures showed. 

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