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Topic starter 10/08/2019 8:01 am  

Dear forum members

I would like to consult with you about this old looking vase, Japanese? Top looks to be broken. Any idea what king of vase this is?  

Also another incomplete piece, looks to be the top part of usubata vase but made of porcelain, I've never seen such before.

And an arita charger early 19th C?  

Thank you.


   
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Topic starter 13/08/2019 11:26 pm  

adding more photos of the vase, hope it can be identified.  


   
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14/08/2019 9:25 pm  

😀 The plate bowl; is it  a barbers bleed bowl. Looks like an arita -japanese


   
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Topic starter 15/08/2019 12:37 am  

@short-dong

Do you mean this piece?  

I think it's a top part of usubata vase, thought I never saw one made of porcelain. Interestingly the maker of it is a Seto kiln most famous for producing large porcelain items and most interestingly porcelain toilets.

https://www.livingculture.lixil/en/ilm/kiln/exhibit/chamberpot/


   
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15/08/2019 3:46 pm  

Hi Spartakos -

Short Dong is referring to the landscape/cherry blossom bowl with 6 character mark ...

Stuart

 


   
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Hi Spartakos -

Short Dong is referring to the landscape/cherry blossom bowl with 6 character mark ...

Stuart

 

I am indeed thank you Ming. 🙂 

Chinese Porcelain Bowl Made during the Daoguang Period circa 1820

 

The bowl is further adorned on the rim with pink enamels showing cherry blossoms, and floral cartouches ( the pink enamels are slightly faded). The bowl has an unusual shape with a cut out in the rim.  It was originally used as a barber's bowl.

 


   
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16/08/2019 5:41 pm  

Antique pair Edo Period Barber Doctor Surgeon Basin - Japan / Japanese - Edo Dynasty ca 1700

https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/15944679-antique-pair-edo-period-barber-doctor-surgeon-basin-japan-japanese-edo-dynasty-ca-1700

 

 

http://www.southgateauctionrooms.com/auction-items/view/18c-japanese-imari-bleeding-bowl-barbers-bowl/

 


   
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Topic starter 16/08/2019 11:07 pm  

@short-dong

I see, a very interesting item, I never suspected there were bowls specifically produced for this purpose.

I think my bowl isn't the case, I think it just got deformed during the firing process as it kind of bent at the spot and there is a spot where it leaned against something that caused the deformation, Do you thing it's a flaw or a feature for this plate?

 

Also regarding the vase, I've asked Peter to help me with it, turns out to be late Ming piece with severe damage but my first Ming piece nevertheless.

Thank you.


   
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17/08/2019 4:09 am  

I also think this is just a deformation.  I believe the Japanese admire imperfections and therefore, it might well be considered a feature. Of course, that might give rise to the question as to whether some deformations might have been deliberate - but no, that would lessen the appeal as they would not be imperfections which one assumes have to be random and uncontrolled.  Sorry, thinking out loud!

Lovely news about the vase, well done!


   
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Topic starter 17/08/2019 5:08 am  

@julia

Thank you Julia

Going through lots of Japanese ceramics I have also wondered about similar idea, a society so much regulated by tradition, rules and patterns expresses so much appreciation for creativity and innovation in art. Many items produced by hand are intentionally asymmetrical which gives them a unique character, or kintsugi for example. In art Japanese surely not shy of stepping over the boundaries.  Very fascinating feild. 

Best regards

Spartakos 


   
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Hi Spartakos -

Looking at the additional image, I would think this is a natural flaw that probably occurred sometime during the firing process ...

The Japanese aesthetic embraced such features, so the piece was not discarded but, as Julia mentions, admired for such flaws ...

The late Ming 'ko-sometsuke' wares produced for the Japanese market were deliberately made with rough edges, glaze pulls/pits and flakes to embrace this 'aesthetic taste' ...

Stuart 


   
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Topic starter 18/08/2019 4:07 am  

@ming1449

Thank you for very interesting information, unfortunately I have little chance to handle Chinese antiques and my progress in that area is slow on the other hand it has so much in common with Japanese so I learn something comparing and researching.


   
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Topic starter 18/08/2019 4:08 am  

@ming1449

Thank you for very interesting information, unfortunately I have little chance to handle Chinese antiques and my progress in that area is slow on the other hand it has so much in common with Japanese so I learn something comparing and researching.


   
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Antique pair Edo Period Barber Doctor Surgeon Basin - Japan / Japanese - Edo Dynasty ca 1700

https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/15944679-antique-pair-edo-period-barber-doctor-surgeon-basin-japan-japanese-edo-dynasty-ca-1700

 

 

http://www.southgateauctionrooms.com/auction-items/view/18c-japanese-imari-bleeding-bowl-barbers-bowl/

 

That is interesting but it is Japanese isn't it. Does he mean it is from that era?


   
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21/08/2019 2:26 am  

What/who are you referring to, SD?  Sorry, coffee hasn't quite reached the brain cells, yet. 😊 


   
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