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I agree with Greeno, it looks printed. It’s so desperately trying to look old that I think it’s modern.
Birgit
I am torn. Definitely looks printed but I am not sure of the date.
Does the base say "mark of splendid clouds and blessings." That is the closest I found. I find the missing section of that rather odd as it wouldn't happen with wear, so it could be viewed as part of a botched attempt at portraying age or maybe it was carelessly applied. This isn't a high quality piece so production haste or indifference might explain it. It seems a strange choice of mark for a copy,
I am going to say 1900 to 1920. 😊
It's definitely printed and I agree with @shinigami that's its a later copy.
Mark
@greeno107 @shinigami Notwithstanding Chinese own forms of early printing, in terms of western export transfer ware, then the Chinese never really perfected the art of transfer printing and while england was transfer printing from the mid 18th century, and Japan from the late 19th century, the Chinese did not really transfer print until into the 20th century and then stopped near the end of the republic period. So they were unlikley to have transfer printed this vase if it is early 20th century.
I would be curious to learn more about any chinese transfer print porcelain from that breif period in the early to mid 20 th centuiry when it existed. Such as examples. Are they so rare?
Such a brief period when manual labor was more cost effective, makes me doubt there is many transfer print examples, maybe some margins and borders such as the diaper and base might have been transfer printed but al painting would have been done by hand is my opinion and guess.
If your vase is printed then it is Modern post WW2 IMO.
We should really learn more about Chinese transfer print, as i would say it is limited and confined to a short period and easy to determine, and the porcelain looks wood fired, so maybe the Vase is just that a late Qing hand painted vase. You can tell the best from examining it closley with a loupe, but I also have some vases similar to yours and have never pin pointed if they are transfer printed or hand painted.
You‘re right, it’s no transfer printing. That washed out look comes from a modern printing technique. I bought two such items myself so it’s a warning sign I look for now.
It is said there was some transfer print during Republic but I never saw one. What you see a lot from late Qing onwards is the work with stamps for outlines or small parts as hands.
And of course there was block printing on Kitchen Qing, we saw an example recently.
Birgit
You‘re right, it’s no transfer printing. That washed out look comes from a modern printing technique. I bought two such items myself so it’s a warning sign I look for now.
It is said there was some transfer print during Republic but I never saw one. What you see a lot from late Qing onwards is the work with stamps for outlines or small parts as hands.
And of course there was block printing on Kitchen Qing, we saw an example recently.
Hi Brigit,
So this would be 'potatoe printed' which is a primitive form of stamping out designs onto the porcelain, but would it also have some hand painted elements to it. A mixture of hand painted and stamped.
The fact it is wood fired!! Is this relevant for a quick dating? I wonder if this is why people are placing it in the ealry 20th century.
If this were coal fired how would that effect the dating.
I mentioned my indecision, but what made me decide to go with earlier 20thc rather than a later date was that it looked to be partly done by hand. I am on my small screen, so I may be wrong on that.
How do you know it is wood-fired? I am useless at grasping that kind of thing.
The potato print is the block printing you sometimes find on early 20th century Kitchen Qing. It has not been applied on this vase in my opinion. Here we have a different, rather modern technique.
Like Julia I would like to learn about the signs for wood firing. Little ash dots?
Birgit
@shinigami Your comment just reminded me I had said I would post pictures of one I have that I was wondering if it was made with block printing technique or something else, but I had forgotten to do it. I figure I might as well include it here rather than create another thread because it goes well with this discussion, so here it is. It has an interesting shape - is it Tibetan? I figured it probably isn't that old. It has a subtle celadon ground. Looking forward to hearing your and others thoughts about it. John
@johnshoe I have one exactly like it and you know what that means, transfer on top of transfer. Put some posies in it, I do not think it even goes as far back as the eighties. Recently massed produced, pretty color.
Here it is, that's my philosophy, "worth a shot, something to look up and I can always put some flowers in it."
@sharonp maybe one of us should buy the other one to make a pair. I'd prefer it be you.
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