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I have been studying this Cloisonné for awhile when I first purchased it my thought was modern it wasn’t until I realized that it was gold burnished and quality it might be older. Also this Cloisonné was abrasive polished not machine. So I’m looking for feedback my thinking is 19th century.
My first impression is that it could be fairly recent. But I hope I'm wrong. The colors just don't jive with what I expect from an older piece.
Older pieces are bronze or gilt copper..this one appears to be brass.
@johnshoe Cloisonné is not that easy. Color is a very small part of dating. Yes Ming to early Qing did not mix colors making them bright. But pink in Ming was red and white mixed. Later Qing and modern Cloisonné have true pink. The pink you see on my Cloisonné was mixed not true pink. You have to look deeply into the piece. What is the quality of the wire work are there missing bands broken ends where the glue detached. Older Cloisonné was bronze cast body not copper soldered bodies. The wire was also soldered in older pieces modern Cloisonné is usually not gilded at all let alone burnished. Modern Cloisonné metal edges are sharp from stamping older Cloisonné all of the edges are more rounded. It is important to look into the piece how are the branches flowing is the enamel bleeding or perfectly contained in each pocket. Dating is just not that simple.
@greeno107 it’s gilded bronze I’ll get a better picture. But you can see the green oxide corrosion on the inside neck. Here is the bronze un gilded lip pic
And here is a picture of the burnished gilding as you can see mercury gilded and burnished on all of the wired area.
@lotusblack The core looks to be brass, gilt or no gilt.
Here’s a late Ming / early Qing small plate I own. The gold gilt is vibrant in sunlight… not sure my photos capture it with indoor lighting at night.
@greeno107 oh I don’t think my Cloisonné is Ming or early Qing I’m thinking 1900 to 1930 +-10 years. But it could be later just not seeing the norm on this piece.
I assumed you meant it was old, you said 19th c. I should have scrolled further before I started gathering evidence to show it wasn't. 🤣
I agree with John and Tim, it is relatively modern, yes, possibly it could go back to 1930 or 40 but I am not sure. My reasons were partly the colours, you don't see many old vases with that pale ground or strange coloured leaves. There was a similarly shaped one on 1stDibs, described as modern, looks much newer though.
@lotusblack Yes, I understand. You had said you had thought it might be 19th c. , not Ming or early Qing.
My first point about the brass core is the crux of my opinion... it is a 20th c. material, but as others have suggested, it could be as old as 1930's or so.
I showed the gilt wire work of my plate in comparison of the gilt on your wire/foot.... honestly, I'm not sure it's gilt or just polished brass on your vase. But, if gilt, it's quite worn off.
@greeno107 Your gilt is correct as earlier piece used high purity gold the real stuff. I have looked under a loop my gilt has plenty of impurities which leads to a later dating I’m also not a fan of the enamels as a study piece it has more questions than answers thanks guys for your input. The over all design leads me to believe a Middle East market.
Very attractive. I am inclined to think it's republican period.
Perhaps ask Peter. My knowledge is very limited on cloisonne but I don't think it's a newer piece btw.
Mark
@imperialfinegems there is a period I believe Cloisonné has a gap and there is not much information out there. In the 18th century the Chinese didn’t really appreciate Cloisonné artwork and was considered inferior to porcelain wares. I am confident the vase I’m studying is not modern. I’ve handled several hundreds modern Cloisonné vases they are light weight messy and poorly constructed. My goal is to understand Cloisonné enough to be better informed. I don’t believe Chinese Cloisonné in the last 150 years will ever gain any real values. But Japanese Cloisonné will it’s just more perfected than Chinese cloisonné. Here is a picture you will see the difference. And of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
Wow that vase is beautiful. Looks to be by a master. Is this yours?
Mark
@imperialfinegems I wish it was these are almost all in private collections. But there are middle of the road pieces to be had. Japanese Cloisonné is in my opinion a devalued art form but I’m seeing inflation pushing it up.
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