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Hello
I wondered if anyone would be able to tell me anything about this rather large bowl -30cm diameter
to me the dragon looks quite good quality so im hoping it is not a modern copy, i was also really surprised that there was no mark to the base!
unfortunately the repairs run through the dragons either side but given its large size i thought it worth buying 🙂
any help greatly appreciated
kind regards
George
George
Strange horizontal strokes in the face of the dragon. Check with a loupe if it's probably printed.
Birgit
Hi George -
Concur with Birgits comments ...
I would only add that the two 'V' shaped brakes are very similar sized/virtually opposite each other and the ware looks artificial ...
Made, broken then repaired/aged to appear old but may be fairly recent, IMO ...
Stuart
thank you both, that is a shame, id not even considered the repairs be faked! but it is a learning curve i guess.
many thanks
George
George
Dear George,
While it is true, as said by Stuart, that they are faking also the damages, I am convinced that your bowl is a nice one, it should be Guangxu period.
The pictures are small but everything there looks correct IMO.
The lines on the faces mentioned by Birgit are due to the tracks left by the scraping tool. That is frequently seen on Kangxi ware. That doesn’t mean that your bowl is Kangxi, it is later but a genuine Guangxu one IMO.
Regards,
Giovanni
I agree mostly with Giovanni in that it is a genuine object and not a fake.
My thinking is that it is later than Guagxhu and in that post Emperor to Republic period 1910-20's at latest.
My reasoning (which may be flawed) is that your Dragon is depicted with five claws and while there was Imperial control no one would dare produce such a piece for fear of severe punishment.
But I could be wrong and Giovanni correct !
Vic
Thank you both very much! Vic i have had a quick look at previous auction results and found a few items with five clawed dragons that have claimed to be Guangxu period, sorry for the stupid question as i have heard something similar before but why would that be a problem?
Dear Giovanni, thank you for all of the information, it is very helpful to learn about the scraping tool, whilst trying to find similar pieces from Guangxu or republic period I have not come across similar tracks, is there a reason for that? different quality of work perhaps?
oh and also I forgot to ask about the lack of any mark to the base, any ideas why this is? Im trying really to find a similar piece to get an idea of value.
Kind regards
George
George
@geob10, @clayandbrush, @shine -
Dear George, Giovanni and Vic,
I post the attached images mealy for comparison in painting style, blue to and application of cobalt.
All Guangxu mark/period ...
1/2:- Lots 172/73, sold HK Auctioneers, 19 November 1989 - prices obtained in HK$.
3/4:- Lot 267, sold Sby’s London, 10 December 1991 - this design copies a Kangxi original.
5:- Lot 4279, Christie’s HK, 30th May 2012.
6:- Lot 137, sold Sby’s London, 16 May 2012.
Note the differences to the detailing and drawing of the head, scales and clouds and the application of the blue ...
Such pieces are not really my area, so I will defer to your far greater experience in such wares ...
Stuart
Hi George,
Five clawed Dragon was reserved for the Emperor and should only strictly be made in the Imperial Kilns and like the pieces shown by Stuart should bear the reign mark of the Emperor.
You can also have Mark and Period non Imperial Dragons with less claws.
After the end of the Imperial reign it all fell by the wayside and there was no one to be scared of turning up at your kiln and carting you off. That's why most Dragons thereafter have 5 claws.
Vic
A couple of late 19th c Dragons with 4 Claws.
@shine Dear Vic
that is so interesting thank you for explaining i will remember that this time!
George
Hi Stuart
thank you for the comparison
i see what you mean! The work on those does look more impressive although i do think that the face especially in the bottom of my bowl is pretty good!
kind regards
George
George
Dear George and all,
Vic is right but that is especially true during the main part of the Qing dynasty while it was not so strictly observed during the end. There are, for example, a lot of items bearing the Guangxu mark which were clearly not made for the Court.
Dear George it is perfectly normal to have porcelain ware without marks, they are even the large majority.
Dear George, it is not the case of talking about value of the bottle, which is almost zero for the Chinese buyers due to the damage. It only has a documentation value for collectors.
Dear Stuart, the style of the dragon is perfectly ok for the period. The only detail that at first glance may look strange is the face, looking “short” than the usual.
I believe that it is a distortion of the picture, because we are seeing the face on a side of the bowl, and on top of that the camera was very close to the bowl. A picture taken perpendicular to the face, and more far from the bowl, should show it different, I think.
Regards,
Giovanni
@geob10, @shine, @clayandbrush,
Dear George, Vic and Giovanni,
Firstly, thank you for all your thoughts and opinions on the original bowl posted ...
Just for reference:- attached image/description of a censer decorated with four-clawed dragons, Xuantong period, dated by inscription to 1910, Lot 504, Sby’s London, 7 November 2012 - unsold on the day ...
It compares very well to the one posted by Vic ...
As previously mentioned, I defer to Giovanni’s and Vic’s far greater experience in such wares ...
Stuart
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