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Hi, I was considering purchasing this lamp, as I liked the scene and the palette and the way the clothing was shaded, but I could not make much headway in IDing it, and I was hoping to talk the seller down on price if I could have some expert opinions on dating / authenticating. The seller doesn't know much either and just said they put a high price on it just in case as they didn't want to let it go for too cheap. Any insight into period or quality? I kind of just want it to go on a part of a mantle where I rotate pieces.
It has a 1950s look. No stunning quality but nice and decorative and hand painted, especially the upper border that is usually printed or stamped.
Birgit
I agree, it has the continuation of the grass around the vase which occurs a lot on PROC pieces, although maybe it tends to be a bit higher and plainer but maybe this is an early example of that feature.
I agree that this vase/lamp is highly probable to be late 50's.
Its hand painted. The design/scene is attractive. But the quality of the artists work is average in my opinion. The pseudo style mark was very common.
How much is the seller seeking?
Mark
Dear Schmid,
by your words it is clear that you do not have an idea of what it is. You do not know styles, periods, and so on. Right? It is not a fault, it is just matter that you do not have a specific knowledge in this field.
The comments provided up to now by my friends here are perfectly correct. But, not having idea about types and periods, and commercial values, which is the acceptable price in your opinion, hearing that it is hand made, etc etc?
My feeling is that you could think that it could have some value. 300? 600? 1.000?
If I have to give you an idea about its value, it is very simple: don’t buy it for any price, especially in those conditions.
You may like it now, but I am sure that you will not in the future, if you will build up some more knowledge on Chinese ceramics in general.
Regards,
Giovanni
@imperialfinegems Thanks for your reply here and elsewhere Mark, much appreciated, and thanks to others for their reply.
The seller had it tagged for 230, but they didn't have much of an idea regarding Chinese ceramics and were just kind of like "make an offer". She has a stunning American Brilliant Period crystal pitcher that I am more than happy to get for her full ask (as that is a subject of which I have a fair bit of knowledge about and is very underpriced), in addition to two interesting daguerrotypes that are also underpriced.
I just didn't want to too aggressively lowball her since I am getting a steal on those other items if that lamp had any mediocre value at all, and I was also just curious on the dating for my own knowledge.
Hi J,
Taking into consideration Giovanni's comments on this thread.
No more than $100.
Maybe try and do a package deal with the other items you are interested. If you like the vase that is. Personally I don't think much of it. But that's just my thoughts.
The vase/lamp is as previously stated average quality. So nothing special.
It does have a firing flaw. Check for any cracks or repairs. If present I would not buy it at any price!
Mark
@imperialfinegems Yeah with the condition I am sure she will probably just take like 50 or something for it; I just would not have minded paying more for it if it had any value at all as I am getting a fantastic deal on the other items so would not have minded throwing her more of a bone, as I will be selling one of the daguerrotypes to make a couple hundred dollars and keeping the other.
I personally would take the vase if I could get it cheap. It’s a typical 1950s example with a typical 1950s border, not trying to look like anything else. It’s a honest representative of its time.
Birgit
Hi J,
For $50.....if you can get it for that....... ITS A BARGAIN!
Early PROC (1950's) is still very desirable at the moment.
Let us know the outcome. 🙏
Mark
@schmidhuber I’m late to the game, but if you have not yet bought the vase, perhaps you should pass on it.
First, this style of famille rose has been recreated both by hand and by stencil. Your example appears to have signs of both … the red seal is clearly a stencil application as the red enamel fades away at the bottom of the seal.
More importantly, the black beadwork is both loose and uneven - that’s not desirable. It should be very precise.
Finally, this style of vases were generally created in pairs, so unless they are very large and/or exceptionally painted example, a single vase doesn’t retain much value (especially after being lamped).
$50 would be full retail price and I would not expect any further improvement on the value down the road.
I like the Edward Gorey looking pendant swags, reminds me of the opening graphics for Masterpiece Mystery, I'm with the buy for 50.00. Not buying for investment, but for nifty fifties kitschy.
For $50 you can't go wrong with this vase. I doubt it very much so that you could buy one like this in a retail store for this price. Maybe a 80's or 90's. But definitely not a 50's one.
The quality is not good and it's drilled, but for $50 what do you want or expect!
Mark
Just to be precise, that on the back is not a firing crack, that is a damage.
I personally would not buy it for nothing. But that is me.
Giovanni
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