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Always wondered the age of this Cong vase I picked up at a local antique shop. It was listed as just a old pottery vase and
swooped it up for 45 bucks. The vase itself
has a significant lean to 1 side but holds itself up quite nice. Looks like the foot/base warped in the kiln and rested against a side wall our another vase as there is a blister in the glaze as well. The design and shape is unusual as the ribs are not of a typical style. The glaze is quite lovely and is very smooth with tiny air bubbles all through it. Not sure if this is classic 18th century export? Our maybe even late Ming dynasty? Our just another replica/fake?
It looks like a good Longquan piece from the Ming period but collapsed during the firing. What is unusual is I read they would have destroyed such a piece but it looks ok and I see no issue with it.
I would Find or make a wooden stand that would fit the vase to a correct standing position. You could work on a deeper wooden stand by digging out on one side only to make the right angle.
David Coles
How very interesting... Never seen one like this before.
Unfortunately I know very little about these.
Mark
I am not qualified to say for certain I have to go by my books but the crackle looks ok. You have to understand monochromes are hard to date. I feel there are only a few people on this site that could say almost. The lean is concerning plus the foot grit is also. But it has potential. I would suggest and outside evaluation like Peter. These are still copied as we speak there are times of reproduction from Song to current. So it’s not as easy as a export to guarantee.
There is no doubt that this is a forgery.
The form, cong, has been held in the highest esteem for thousands of years, since the Western Zhou, as a icon of heaven and earth.
The possibility that such a deformity would be permitted to remain intact from the Ming, is unimaginable.
@lotusblack thanks! My hunch is its early 18th century. I have been wrong so many times I just assume I am always buying fakes and reproduction at antique stores. But each time I learn what not to buy and so it goes.
@greeno107 I agree with what you are saying. But with everything else a worker taking a defective piece home is not out of the question.
@lotusblack But with everything else a worker taking a defective piece home is not out of the question.
Brian, These kilns didn’t operate like a bakery in the Ming dynasty … ‘workers’ didn’t get to take home the burnt cookies at the end of the day.
Like most trades, apprentices worked under masters, and if mistakes occurred, they were disposed of.
The physical deformity alone that prevents the vase from standing brings into question how such a piece could have survived 400 years.
The physical qualities of the vase do not warrant discussion, but at quick glance, the alternating tooth design is unknown to me as well.
@greeno107 what is your best guess of age in your opinion?
@lucky_sun123 Hi Jesse,
I like your vase.
My first impression looking at your pictures is an art school or pottery class project from the 20th century that did not quite come out properly.
I went to art school in the 20th century.
Andrew
Like Tim, I also can't recall having seen that pattern before. I have just been looking to see if anything comes up, but I have found nothing with the alternating style yours has. I find the foot rim strange, too.
As for the lean, it would be unusual for the piece to get through, but I guess it is not impossible depending, I suppose, on when it was made and it does seems an odd defect to deliberately fake, but if it is a kiln collapse on a copy, fakers might well send it out anyway.
@lucky_sun123 How old? 1970’s or newer, and I suspect entirely modern (last 10 years).
The history of porcelain making in China was one one of strict standards, and life long apprenticeship.
A firing crack, or faulty glaze, or a minor collapse resulting in a slight tilt on export wares and minyao (common domestic wares) might be explainable because the standard of quality would be fairly low.
However, objects made for upper society were done by commission, they were expensive, the standard were extremely strict, and a kiln’s reputation would be put into question for failing to deliver an exemplary piece.
A collapsed piece of this degree would have had to been snuck out (essentially stolen), at the risk of loosing ones life. No apprentice would take such a risk, and a master would never permit such a failure to remain whole.
These days, forgers are deliberately putting faulty pieces into the marketplace because it seems Westerners are embracing the false notion that a faulty piece could be a genuine piece that had been overlooked by Western collectors during the early 20th c due to the piece’s obvious faults.
Nonsense. The imperfection only serves as bait to lower your guard, and draw your attention from the other flaws and indications that the piece is modern.
This fantasy version of Chinese potters jumping into the fire due to an imperfect bowls or vases is just fantasy and quite fictional. The Chinese recycled everything this pot looks to have been tipped in the Kiln. I think Tim is right a comparable needs to be found with the same boarder and the foot is strange. But the ideal an imperfect vase was not savaged is highly improbable there were many other workers in the kiln than apprentice and potters. Here is a defective pair these should had been destroyed. Well at least one of them.
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