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Hi,
Sorry for always posting such minor, uninteresting items, but please may I ask your opinions on these small plates/saucers? Are they even Asian? They are very light, although one is heavier and slightly taller than the other. Both feel very hard. I don't know if anyone has handled any Multani pottery but it feels rather like that. They are approx 4 ins across, maybe a bit more.
I am sure I have seen something similar before, but I simply cannot find it now.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Julia
Julia, looking at the left plate the foot rim seems to have every thing I would be looking for in provincial Ming. The buff/pink paste, a bit of kiln grit, gaps in the glaze, a rustic turning from the wheel forming the plate. Only thing it would be missing on my check list is a dark oxide ring at the edge of the glaze. As far as the decoration, I think I will leave that to the smart folks.
The plate on the right has it all but the pink/buff paste.
Ron
Hi Julia,
Don't worry about your posts you help keep the forum alive. Now for your dishes as you know I far from expert on ceramics, when I first looked I thought Japan. But looking closer at the bases maybe they are Chinese. Perhaps Kosmetsuke made in China late Ming early Qing for export to Japan. I know Ko- Somestuke means old blue and white but they did make colored wares as well. Will be interesting to see what others think.
Michael
In my opinion none of them is Chinese. The green color as well as the decoration looks wrong. And there was no pink color before 1720. The plates might even be European as has been suggested.
Birgit
Thanks everyone. ?
At first, I thought Japanese, then wavered towards Chinese, but now I am inclined towards European. I know I have seen these or at least these colours somewhere before, if only I could remember.
Ah well, it is at least interesting and they only cost £2 so I reckon I will get my money's worth in the pleasure of investigation! ?
Hi Julia,
the colour palette etc. is similar to some delftware I’ve seen, specifically Liverpool delft.
Not sure if this could be helpful!
Nic
Hi Julia -
Certainly not Kosmetsuke wares - and not Chinese either ...
I would agree with Birgit regarding the decoration and green colour - probably European, although I know very little about these wares ..!!
Stuart
No worries, my suggestion was based on a vague impression, specifically the limited colour palette.
Nic
They look like Liling Kiln,early 20th c with the distinctive underglaze green.
Vic
This is interesting. With all do respect for the smart folks, I still believe the plates are provincial Chinese but given the pink Colour it can not be Ming. The paste has far to many impurities to be European, Now it is known that blanks were imported from China and decorated in Europe, could this be what they are?
I noticed each plate seems to have been made in a different manner. One looks to be turned on a wheel and moulded by hand the other seems to have what I will call chatter marks indicating to me a shaped blade was used to shape the outside of the plate in one operation as it turned on the wheel, this as far as I know that was a European method for making flat wares. And this puts another twist in their story or maybe i’m Reading to much into that chattering look.
Then again as Vic has pointed out, they may have just arrived at the local discount decorator store.
Ron
Hi Ron,
My post mentioned early 20th c, not 21st !
See this article for more information.
https://download.atlantis-press.com/article/25878638.pdf
Regards
Vic
Nic, my mind was on Lowestoft but I have not found what I am looking for so will try Liverpool, thanks. I am also wondering if they may be Japanese because of that scaley green which looks like an abstract impression of a dragon!
Ron, they do look to be different, not just in size but in thickness of potting. One is very thin, especially given that it is possible to see the thickness of glaze. I am not anything like as well-versed as you on techniques of manufacture but I can see that there are, or seem to be, slight differences.
Vic, thank you. I have not heard of Liling so I will research that now.
Thanks everyone! ?
A search of Vic’s suggestion does throw up an interesting result. I haven’t included the link because it’s not secure. But here’s a photo of it:
Nic
Interesting! Thank you. My search turned up nothing that came close.
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