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Dear Giovanni -
This is just terrible - Kangxi?!! ... I don’t think so ... Attached images of two mid 17th century Cat night lights - one in the collection of a fellow collector, the other one atop stand recovered from the Hatcher Junk, dated 1643-46
Stuart
Dear Stuart,
THOSE are Kangxi! Thank you for showing them.
Just for reiterating what recently said here about some eBay' "supermarkets" of Chinese Antiques ?
Best regards
Giovanni
Dear Giovanni -
Your more then welcome, my pleasure to share ...
Total agree re: eBay Chinese Antique "Supermarkets" - just disgraceful ....
Stuart
That seller is so clever! She’s used an auction catalogue example that realised €18,000 to boost the authenticity of her own item. This went on to make €4496! She clearly puts in a lot of effort to deceive people. Mind you, the one in the catalogue looks the same as her item. Is the one in the catalogue a fake too?
Do you think it’s at all possible that she believes her items are all genuine? I don’t think it’s likely. It seems to me that, more often than not, the sellers that go way OTT in the listing are the ones hiding something? The sellers of genuine items seem to have more confidence in their items, they know that experienced collectors will know for themselves that their pieces are good, so they don’t need to brag?
Nic
Ah, that is why Springmeier asked about the blue vase. I wondered why the cat was showing. I also thought the lantern a fake until I saw the catalogue example and just assumed I was wrong. Well there is a trick to look out for! ☹️
I'm going to see if I can find that catalogue on line and get a better look.
The Catalogue Cat night light was sold at Christies Paris 25th June 2008.
Joanies piece corresponds in both shape and cobalt tones .
On that basis I feel that it is a genuine item,even though it does not correspond to the general shape and hole positioning on most other Kangxi night lights.
Vic
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The one sold on ebay looks new and made to deceive. Look at the faces and age signs. I am not convince at all and the seller has an history of selling good quality fakes.
The reasons why I believe that the cat in question is not a Kangxi one are:
The overall shape is too “soft” or “gentle” if you wish, it somehow lacks the vigor of Kangxi ware.
The holes on Kangxi examples are sharply cut, they do not have those smooth edges.
There should be an opening in the mouth.
The ears are too big.
They are not meant to have a translucent body, the light should mainly come out through the holes.
The inside is too much even, it looks slip casted.
The cat seems immaculate, no surface wear at all.
Now, regarding the one on the catalog, Christie’s Paris is not Christie’s King Str., London.
Cats of this type has been sold by Christie’s as 19th/20th century.
I also think that, if believed genuine, the final price for this seller should be bigger.
Best regards
Giovanni
I don't think it is Kangxi. Here is another sold by Christies in Paris (2009) for 12,500 Euros but described as 18th - 19th c and very similar to the one in question. It has holes in the back and eyes.
Just for a further comparison, these two from 2008 are described as 18th c and sold for considerably more: 20,900 and 24,500 euros respectively.
https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=5098121&lid=1
Julia,the price proves nothing as the market fluctuates.
I sold a Plate on Ebay for £134,same Plate at Sothebys $5k.
Getting items sold by Christies and Sotheby's is not easy,they command the market and set the pace.
I have a night light,Kangxi or Yongzheng but more likely Kangxi. If I put it on Ebay I will get a fraction of the value if I were lucky enough to get it accepted by one of the big auction houses.
Vic
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Hi all,
Just a quick comment. I find this subject super tempting for fakers - there will be more of those cats listed soon I think. I mean the cat from the ebay sale is shocking, looks brand new to me. Very far from other cats that others have posted here. However that cat that Julia has posted sold by Chriesties seems like a base object for the replica mentioned by Giovanni. So basically we are having one problem here - how to spot a difference between modern fake and 19th C original? As I think that Kangxi ones are well easy to recognise with all the well-known features of Kangxi porcelain. It could be harder to judge from the photos of course but less in reality. I have made some mistakes before and for example I have bought a fake Kangxi stem cup (I even posted it here few months ago - many thanks to all who helped me understand I have bought a crap copy) and now I am quite sure I could tell a lot simply judging on the feel of the object in hands.
That cat from ebay has a stained and nasty aged base and in general one could have an impression of looking at a brand new ceramic item.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention, it's a true favour of sharing that with us.
Kind regards,
Adrian
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Sorry Vic, didn't mean to imply they necessarily did. I was just comparing the price of the 2009 one with the ones in 2008 because I found it interesting on various levels. ?
Adrian, I was just out driving wondering if the 2009 18th/19th c one was the basis of the copy. I am surprised though that Joanies described it as Kangxi and they should have enough experience to tell it isn't; that much is clear from the items easily found on Christies.
Well spotted Giovanni.
As pointed out if said was a genuine period piece there would be some kind of soft natural wear. I saw none!
I note seller has stated 'period and mark' which could be problematic for the seller etc.
Same seller had multiple lots claiming period porcelain which IMO was a blatant misrepresention.
I have bought a number of items from this sell over the last two or three years. Never had a problem with descriptions and authenticity.
It really comes down to buying what you know and avoiding what you know nothing about. One should not rely solely on descriptions made by the seller.
Adrian is correct. Peter made a point a year or more about the same seller and fakes and was attacked by a bizarre blast from new members from our forum, that all read the same, ie same hand.
I once commented on a jade bi-disc sold by said as not being authentic period and was more likely early 20th century etc. I was quickly attacked by seller as being a novice and then was blocked. Quite bizarre!
Mark
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