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There was a similar bronze listed on Bidamount some weeks ago. This one does look more contrived. It’s suspiciously polished on what is believed to be the ‘most likely’ places for wear, like the nose and belly, but in actual fact, because of the form of this , those areas would receive very little natural wear?
The casting seems coarse too?
The rocks on the tray look quite nicely done in my humble opinion, but other elements don’t look as good.
The dish looks OK, not very well done but has Age?
I get very nervous when I see things that should be right with virtually no bids coming to an end. I assume that everyone else can see something that I can’t see!
Nic
The tray has some printed outlines and looks past 1950. The bowl with the goats is nice and old but in bad condition. Nothing I would buy even if cheap.
Birgit
Yes, They are all intriguing 🙂
The cloisonne and the Goat Bowl are the only items that I might trust to buy. I am not sure why I posted all this Junk 🙂 I was frustrated the tray is printed as Nic says it is quite well done on the mountains but the Tree just gives it away. You can see broken unfinished branches.
As a side note i notice that the Moon has cast it's smile upon the prunus jars and vases. They are all selling at high prices again.
As you know, I’m usually obsessed with whether a piece is printed, but I totally missed it on that tray!
Back to Chinese porcelain school for me!
Nic
Hi SD -
I would agree with Birgit's comments - nothing here worth buying ...
Stuart
Hi SD -
I would agree with Birgit's comments - nothing here worth buying ...
Stuart
That Chinese Cloisonne is worth buying to a collector. It is of good quality and age.
As a side: I think i am now gravitating and refining my taste's to very select items. Kangxi or similar high quality Chinese blue and white, a very select few Japanese but i have included also high quality Royal Worcester and royal Crown Devon, some Derby and Coalport that are of the right age but must be handpainted. I also feel Noritake is very wise investment for the Art Noveau and Art Deco handpainted quality items.
I hope i do not come across as being rude, I honestly genuinely wish to be helpful around here and I openly admit i do not possess the Academic qualifications or the lengthy experience many members here have. I do have good Market and Sales experience and academic's and i guess i love to analyse the Market and Asian Art is fascinating for me in that way. So i hope i do not come across a s pompous when i argue a point i have no qualification to argue so to speak 🙂 because i am really just arguing the market trends. I am an equities, Futures and Options kind of guy too.
My Steam games account started with 15 euro cash. Steam (valve) has it's own internal and independent Live Market where you can buy and sell items called skins. These are digital art. It has real Live charts, real volume and Ask and sell prices. It has historical charts ( weekly,monthly and annually). It is a real Market.
I traded and bought and sold skins and other items just for the thrill of the market. Suffice to say i am a very happy steam client. The most amazing aspect of this market is how similar it is to the Dow and Nasdaq equities. It's shifts and patterns and cycles.
These could have been bought for £1 each and £8 postage which i think is good value for a collector of cloisonne.
Hi SD -
It is I who should apologise to you ...
My knowledge of cloisonne is rather poor - and I defer to others here who know far more then I concerning such wares ...
Pleased to hear you are refining your taste to high quality pieces of specific types - hope you'll find some great examples of these types ...
Stuart
Hi SD -
It is I who should apologise to you ...
My knowledge of cloisonne is rather poor - and I defer to others here who know far more then I concerning such wares ...
Pleased to hear you are refining your taste to high quality pieces of specific types - hope you'll find some great examples of these types ...
Stuart
... Somehow - it seems to have posted twice ...!!🙄 😆
Stuart
SD, you never sound pompous. 🤗 I think you are someone who genuinely believes that artistic value is not necessarily about money, but as a speculator, money makes art very intriguing - especially analysing trends: wondering what drives them, looking for signs of movement in flat areas where some wonderful pieces are seemingly ignored. It is fascinating!
I have never heard of Steam, will have to look that up.
Sorry, I hope that didn't sound rude or offensive, it wasn't meant to be. I just meant that it is hard to see any pomposity in your enthusiasm. 😊
Thanks Julia and Stuart,
I am very pleased that you do not view me that way. Julia, I am not sure you would like steam, in the way one like's Asian Art. The Digital art that is sold are called skins and they are for the weapons that are used in FPS games. They are virtual digital designs that cover the weapon used in the game. Kind of like putting wall paper on your school copy book.
As obscure and silly as this sounds it is a huge market. E -Sports has become massive. With live tournaments and Arena's now that sell out for audiences that would fill a football stadium. This has meant a vibrant and growing market place in the most popular E sport games one of which is CSGO.
Counter Strike Global offensive is on of Steams earliest platform games and so has a huge Market in Steam. However all the profits go Valve and Steam, i.e the Game creator and the Steam which is the Game platform for the market and sale of games and launch pad for many games.The only way for a human to profit is to buy and sell the skins on the Market as one would an equity.
Steam also does not allow you to take money out of your account, so all the profits you make stay in your steam account, like virtual money. I invested 15 euro in steam many years ago and have never had to pay for a game ever since. With the launch of Virtual Reality games however, all my profits are lucrative because Steam sell VR kit's and other merchandise.
If you can create a game, that is popular then you can create digital art that you can sell within the game. That is where most of the profit is these days. So many game's are being sold at reduced prices and or even for free just so they can then focus on selling digital art.
I was just re reading my post previous and and realise it has gone a little off the rails. I think what i was trying to convey is that the market in Asian Art regardless of making a profit is fascinating for someone who is interested in Sales and Marketing and Financial analysis. In fact antiques are very much a part of Financial Investments and sometimes are considered a better investment for the humdrum Equities traders. A rich Hedge fund manager might just starting buying Art and Antiques when it suits his portfolio.
I recall reading the negative effect this has on the Arts Market with the super wealthy manipulating the price ranges of certain Paintings to create bubbles for whatever super genius reasons they have. Also many have mentioned money laundering and many other under the table activities that Art and Antiques are being used for.
I also find this new Market in Digital art interesting.
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