Yongle! Yongle? Who is this guy? Does he knows what he is talking about?

Let see... he must have one book about Chinese ceramics, he did open it for chance and it stumbled just on a page where there was a Yongle blue and white piece. Then he thought “it is blue and white! It must be Yongle then!”.

Of the same series like: My car has four rounded wheels! And there is even air inside! It must be a Ferrari, because those too have four wheels and all them rounded, like my one, it can’t be a coincidence!

 Giovanni

Is it Ming at all? The foot looks a bit strange. 

It is a nice genuine 18th c piece sans lid.

Vic

It might be just 17th or 18th century 

I used to work in archaeology and you can learn so much handling so many ancient pieces. It may very well be Yongle it is a possibility, except is the diaper design not unique to 17th and 18th century.  Certainly a very old and genuine piece. 

Considering that broken baluster Kangxi vase sold for £97 then this is not bad at all. You have to use your own judgement on these. 

I was wrong about the Diaper design, it not unique to 17th and 18th century. I must have misread that somewhere. 

Chinese Art in San Antonio Museum of Art

Yuan Yang Xi Shui, a Blue and White Plate From Yongle Period

Chinese bleeding  bowl in the Yongle style with a touch of Ming. I think that is ballpark. A genuine Chinese antique dating back centuries. 

Yes, that is it. 

Short Dong, sorry but you are completely off. That bowl has nothing of the Ming period, it is an 18th c bowl as said by Vic.

Please read my sarcastic comment about the car of the  guy being a Ferrari because the wheels are round. It fits perfectly here.

Yongle ware are on another planet. It is not only matter of one hundred or two hundred years, it is matter of a totally different thing.

The difference between a Yongle and a Kangxi piece, seen in real, is astonishing.

Giovanni

Posted by: clayandbrush

Short Dong, sorry but you are completely off. That bowl has nothing of the Ming period, it is an 18th c bowl as said by Vic.

Please read my sarcastic comment about the car of the  guy being a Ferrari because the wheels are round. It fits perfectly here.

Yongle ware are on another planet. It is not only matter of one hundred or two hundred years, it is matter of a totally different thing.

The difference between a Yongle and a Kangxi piece, seen in real, is astonishing.

Giovanni

 

 

Hi Giovanni

Thanks, I hope it is ok to post these items, because i do usually say to people that read them, that I am no expert and they must make their on judgments. If i knew it was yongle then of course i would buy it, because it would have a huge value. 

What I am doing is putting up items that are selling at a very low price and that may have higher value to the buyer. 

I hope it is ok to post these item's as occasionally they are good deals. I also think it is interesting because people can also go and buy the item, and might even learn something about them if they are not knowledgable.  For those that have the expertise then it is possible that something interesting may be available at a good price. Just maybe. Not all the experts are always looking at everything. 

So i like to think i might help. 

Dear Short Dong,

I am sorry that you understood my post as being against you for posting these items. I really do not know where you have read this, I never said something in that sense, I think. Frankly I was expecting a “good to know that, thank you” instead of feeling to be attacked. If I did something that gave you that feeling, I am sorry for that, although I believe of having commented the bowl only, and not you.

I thought that it was clear that my comments were meant to correctly address (educate, in other words) those that can be fooled by what falsely, or wrongly, claimed by the dealer. In this case, you too seem to have believed that the bowl could be a Ming one.

In this particular case, the false or wrong attribution is even more important to be evidenced, because the attribution was not as generic Ming, which is wrong per se, but even Yongle, which sounds like a blasphemy for those who knows Chinese ceramics.

Please continue to post what you think is interesting to you; it sounds obvious, in my opinion, that if you post something which you think is a good one while indeed it is a wrong one, the correction should be understood for what it is, a good way for learning.

Giovanni

Posted by: clayandbrush

Dear Short Dong,

I am sorry that you understood my post as being against you for posting these items. I really do not know where you have read this, I never said something in that sense, I think. Frankly I was expecting a “good to know that, thank you” instead of feeling to be attacked. If I did something that gave you that feeling, I am sorry for that, although I believe of having commented the bowl only, and not you.

I thought that it was clear that my comments were meant to correctly address (educate, in other words) those that can be fooled by what falsely, or wrongly, claimed by the dealer. In this case, you too seem to have believed that the bowl could be a Ming one.

In this particular case, the false or wrong attribution is even more important to be evidenced, because the attribution was not as generic Ming, which is wrong per se, but even Yongle, which sounds like a blasphemy for those who knows Chinese ceramics.

Please continue to post what you think is interesting to you; it sounds obvious, in my opinion, that if you post something which you think is a good one while indeed it is a wrong one, the correction should be understood for what it is, a good way for learning.

Giovanni

Ok great,

That is how i understood it, but i just wanted to be sure i was not wasting peoples time. Thank you so much  because i usually have a long watch list and I cannot buy every item. There was some okay little items that went by, A early 20th century  prunus jar went for .99p and it was unique in that i think the backmark is trendy and scarce on ebay.

If anyone is ever looking for something in particular. Let me know and i will post it if i come across it. I look at low volume items  with low prices, where there is  little interest and i am relatively confident the price will remain stable. 

I am not sure exactly how my methodology works on identifying low volume items. I suppose if the price remains low over a long period of time, and i guess other factors, the seller is not usually selling antiques. It is incorrectly titled or classified and there are few if any watching.  Usually the seller may sell in different catagories, so is unknown, and it is listed incorrectly. 

Hi Short dong 

I must say I mis-understood the purpose of your posts in this category - I thought you were posting items here that you were considering buying and wanted some confirmation of date, quality etc. ,

but it seems you are posting here items that might interest others, so in that case you are not looking for comments , right?

It would help if you could say something briefly about why you are flagging up the item, thanks 

I too thought that you were posting these items considering that, if confirmed good, you were interested in buying them.

BTW it seems that you are not considering that, if a piece has a very low price and nobody is bidding, it may not worth more than that.

Giovanni

Posted by: tam18

Hi Short dong 

I must say I mis-understood the purpose of your posts in this category - I thought you were posting items here that you were considering buying and wanted some confirmation of date, quality etc. ,

but it seems you are posting here items that might interest others, so in that case you are not looking for comments , right?

It would help if you could say something briefly about why you are flagging up the item, thanks 

No.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. 

I have no intention of buying any of these items, although i was tempted by them. I have been spending money on Auctions here in Dublin and cannot afford to buy these items. I have problems enough with organising delivery and other costs associated with Dublin that ebay has to take a back seat. 

There were some very good prices on some of these items. So i thought that perhaps someone might  be interested in them.They are not perfect or beautiful but they are very good value. Good to have a little collection that one can afford. 

In the recent Auction I was at, 3 20th century Prunus jars sold for 120 euro. So I found that Prunus jar which is also early 20th Century and it was only .99p and postage was very cheap. So i feel that is a service for one of our members that may wish to have an early 20th century prunus jar. 

So it was just goodwill on my part. The fact that you have so graciously appraised and looked at the items. I am sure would be a huge help to a member that was considering buy it. I have learned alot from this and it is especially interesting hearing peoples views and watching the final sale. Giovanni nailed that Kangxi baulster perfectly. 

It is kind of like Bargain hunt on BBC 🙂  

I am bumping this and rehashing the old Yongle disagreement.  I take it that there are 18th century Yongle style ceramics. So one could perhaps mention the yongle style without meaning it is from the Yongle era. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FINE-Antique-Chinese-Blue-and-White-Dragon-Plate-YONGLE-Mark-18th-Century-QING/362445015657?hash=item5463680a69:g:uw4AAOSw1i5bq-Ae

Antique Chinese Blue and White Dragon Plate YONGLE Mark 18th Century QING