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Hi All,
Is this a late Qing ox-blood ginger jar? The base looks good to me; the foot rim was hand-cut but chipped when the glaze stuck during firing; there is a strong iron oxide line on the inner edge of the foot rim; and the "CHINA" stamp looks like a million others late Qing (or early Republic) stamps I have seen. The glaze has lots of bubbles and isn't as perfect as might be expected for a new vase. Also, there are faint rings on the inside and outside, suggesting that it was hand-thrown. These are vertical on the inside of the shoulder, possibly where the potter was blending out a luting line?
Or is it a modern copy? Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Charles
I agree with @shinigami.
At first glance it looks late Qing period but on closer look especially that pure white base and the reflection I have concerns here.
Let's wait and see what others think.
Mark
Hi Charles,
Concur with Birgit and Mark …
The glaze surface appears somewhat reflective and ‘shiny’, and the orange/yellowish line to the inside footrim edge, where the glaze meets the biscuit, appears very even …
But this may be the images and/or lighting. If possible, try to take some images in natural light, especially the glaze surface, footrim edges and base, and then post …
Stuart
Hi All,
Here are some photos in better sunlight. The glaze on the bottom is not white but is a pale blue. The red glaze is pretty glassy, although it has a lot of bubbles in it, especially near base and the neck. As Birgit says, I haven't seen enough monochromes to know what the glaze is supposed to look like.
Admittedly, the foot rim looks pretty odd, but I can't imagine that anyone made this with intent to deceive, because a late Qing monochrome jar like this would only be worth a few hundred, wouldn't it? That is why I maybe tend to overweigh the "CHINA" stamp, and the fact that it appears to be hand-thrown. But it was a thrift store find, and I have no skin in the game, so whatever you think is fine!
Charles
@kirby13 I tend to agree with your thinking. I understand why the others are skeptical but imo there are enough authentic traits to date this to first half of the 20th century. Glaze voids, quality of the red, and shape look good. If you were going to fake it why not make it look like an 18th c example with a cleanly finished glaze at the foot, etc.? That would have way more money making potential. Instead this has the typical late 19-20th dripping over glaze. I think it's much more likely this is a genuine example. John
Hi Charles -
Thank you for posting the additional images, which are most helpful …
Looking at these, I would concur with @johnshoe that this piece could date to first half of the 20th century. The glaze crackling, seen on the forth image, numerous bubbles within and ‘duck-egg’ blue tinge to the base glaze are typical features seen on such wares …
A question; has the vase been cleaned? My one concern is the exterior base glaze chipping areas exhibit no dirt or age, and appear very clean/white …?
Stuart
That is a very good point. I did clean the jar. There was a little dirt on the foot rim, but not much. There are scratches and scuffs across the surface of the jar, that look to me as if it has some wear. But the base itself has very little wear--I might have expected to see a little more wear on the high points.
Hi Charles -
Did the chipped areas display much, if any, dirt and/or discolourations and age before you cleaned it? …
Also, you mentioned ‘scratches and scuffs’ to the glaze surface. Are these mainly of similar lengths and directions, or do these exhibit differing lengths, directions and depths? …
Stuart
Hi Stuart.
Sorry for the delay in responding. Here are a few closeups of the foot rim. Remember that I did clean it. You can see that there is a little dirt remaining, but not a lot; I can't say if this is useful. There is also a photo of a scuff, where what looks like silver paint was transferred to the jar. An additional photo shows a few of the scratches, which are random in direction, and not very abundant. Hope this helps!
Thanks,
Charles
Hi Charles -
No need for apologies …
Thank you for forwarding these additional images which, as before, are most helpful …
From these, the glaze surface ware appears to be natural and age related, as does the chipping and footrim ware …
So I would agree with @johnshoe ij that this piece is probably first half 20th century …
Stuart
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