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Not that this would fool everyone, but just in case I thought I would post it for newer collectors. Its brand new..and on eBay
Best Peter
Peter
Ok Peter, let me test my limited knowledge on why this is a fake.
the dragon painting seems a bit contrived, it doesn’t have a whispeness of proper free hand that the painter should have
the intersections of the painted lines seems to have added dots rather than the natural look of brush strokes over lapping
the colour seems a bit washed out
the glazing on the bowl seems a pit to perfect for it’s age and the colour glaze does not have a blue’ish tinge
the rim seems to have a slight protrusion as if it has sagged a bit after potting.
last, the foot marking seem way to big, and why would the painter change to blue when they had a brush full of red?
How close am I identifying what’s wrong with it. Close or way off the mark.
thanks to all who reply
Ron
The “rim” should read “foot rim”
For me it is the piling they used and the sloppy mark.
Dirty foot rim in connection with new looking base.
Birgit
Wow, over $1000.00 already with a little under a week to go.
This is a Ming dragon in iron red, you can compare them.
Cj
First off, Xuande underglaze red bowls are extremely rare (I cannot emphasize that enough).Second, the bowl itself has this weird band around the rim of a different color of white. The unglazed foot rim is not white/pure enough and trimmed inaccurately. The mark is poorly done, the glaze is not white enough. The bowl's overall shape I think is odd also relative to similar bowls, the proportions are wrong. The drawing is also weak.
Mark and period underglaze blue bowls are much more common (but extremely rare in general) and routinely sell for $600,000 to $800,000 US. Stem cups sell for 7 times as much in blue and white.
Christies XUANDE Blue and White Bowl
Foot/base of a Xuande bowl.
It's tricky stuff..
Peter
So other than the poor drawing I got most of my ideas wrong. Another lesson learned. On the vase Charles posted, the iron red (to me) seems to have faded, I can not invision the vase coming out of the kilns like that.
It's a difficult trick to fire cobalt blue and red and have the color values of both to come out as desired. Often the red turns greenish tones or fails to develop color in the firing. Over time they do not fade once done.
Using the two colors in combination was very hard to do hundreds of years ago without thermometers, as temperatures and air flow were controlled by visual observations of flames and experience.
Best Peter
Peter
In early Ming Dynasty, red is the most difficult color to fire in porcelain, red color generally turned out to be iron rusty color (which is the Chinese name for iron red). The vase I posted was purchased from Christi’s in 1976. It was authenticated by top Chinese porcelain experts. The auction house in Miami estimated the price between $30,000 to 50,000, but it was hammered at $485,000, plus 20% buyers priumium. Do not you guys think a newer collector would pay that much money? Without hairlines, the price of the vase is easy over million dollars.
Charles
Cj
And this kind of information is why I like this sight so much. Thanks a lot gentlemen.
And Charles, just let me dig into the other pocket for the extra $400,000.oo?
My first post here. I just discovered this forum a couple of days ago. But it's really nice that someone has finally taken time to create a forum with different subcatagories as an alternative to the asianart.com board. I found this post interesting because of the topic of fake Xuande porcelain on eBay. There are countless such fakes on the various online auction sites, some with more convincing appeal than others. But I bought this Xuande marked blue and white jar last month from a Japanese dealer via eBay. Described as 19th ct. in the eBay listing, meaning it should be an antique apocryphally marked copy. It's almost certain that it's genuinely old, but if you look closely at the picture. in the eBay listing, especially the last one (picture number 12) you see the heaping an piling as well as the bubbles in the cobalt blue underglaze, that to me looks very authentic. 19th ct. copies shouldn't have this, should they. This might be an example of real Xuande mark and period blue and white jar found at eBay for a bargain (compared to it's potential value). Link to the listing at eBay:
An example of a very similar excavated jar, dated to the Yongle period at Henan Museum:
I know there I might be severely dissapointed, but then again, I almost bought because I felt it was necessary to secure it as a cultural relic - perhaps it's the only intact jar of this kind in the world?
Greetings from Copenhagen - Denmark
/Corey
Hi Corey,
It might be an idea to start a new topic so your items get seen.
Best wishes,
Julia
Yes, I'll probably start a new topic on my jar later. And also follow up on this thread, since it's an interesting topic. Thanks!
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