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Topic starter 09/07/2025 3:39 am  

Having a hard time figuring out if this 6 1/2" diameter bowl is an authentic "misfired" Jun Ware from Song through Ming dynasties, or a later Mid Qing, "misfired" Shiwan kiln piece from Foshan, Guangdong Province.

The glaze is brushed on, Jun style blue, purple, red and white with blown or splashed brown and black glazes, bubble bursts, pitting and crazing.

During the Qing period, Shiwan kilns did achieved great success in imitating the distinctive Jun techniques from kilns like those in Yuzhou and Henan.

I was able to find a documented Shiwan inkstone in Jun glaze with similar blown or splashed brown/black and red glaze dated Mid-Qing with (what appears to be) eel yellow glaze on the interior.

The course clay is heavy and especially noteworthy at the thicker base area of the bowl. The shape of the bowl and the incised rings are both unfamiliar to me as Shiwan pottery styles.

Could really use some help.

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09/07/2025 2:25 pm  

I don't think it is shiwan. Could it be Japanese ? Or maybe a 20th c studio piece using an Asian glaze? .


   
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This glaze feels a bit "experimental" for Jun ware. Seems too thin, and the colors too spotty and splotchy, for even misfired Jun ware. The neatly trimmed line above the foot is also atypical for Jun. Maybe a resist was applied before glazing/firing, or was the glaze edge neatly trimmed after firing? Hard to say, but I think either would discount period Jun.

Shiwan was also my second thought, but then as with you the shape/finishing looked wrong for that. The foot is especially well done. They spent more time finishing that than on most Shiwan examples I've seen. 

Any chance this is a modern slip cast (and maybe hand trimmed) piece that someone glazed using a mix of old techniques? A clue there would be if it's perfectly round and symmetrical.

 

 

 

 


   
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Topic starter 09/07/2025 3:53 pm  

Julia and Craig, thank you for chiming in. 

Someone suggested that what I thought was clay is possibly "grog temper" (crushed, fired pottery) common in artesian pottery from the 60's until now. 

"Grog refers to already-fired clay that is ground into a granular form and incorporated as temper into moist clay. The grog particles can come from broken clay pottery, flawed fired pieces, or clay specifically pre-fired for this purpose".

After a little Googling, I think he is correct. It could also explain the extra heavy weight.

So, although disappointing and at a bit of a high price, I have learned something new towards future pieces. 

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Something else to note is that grog tempered will melt at a higher temperature. Now I know what this unusual area is. 

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