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Mark on cup
Hello, can somebody read mark on the blue and white cup? Best regards, Lysander
I don't know, but the script could be Japanese or, if Chinese, possibly written by a Japanese person.
Is there text on the sides?
Maybe a Bleu de hue mark?
The design looks Japanese to me.
The mark is Hichozan Shinpo Tsukuru, for the Hichozan studio. They are notably known for their Polychrome overglaze enamels for Meiji export. There is a Hirado connection it seems, as there are, however rarely, Hirado type pieces signed by the studio. This is what I think this is, and a beautiful example at that.
I've posted more pictures. More tomorrow, sorry, had no time today. Honestly, I was almost sure, it was WuShuangPu pattern. But shape of the cup looked more Japanese than Chinese for me. Mark to the base - if I know, I would not ask 😉
@Johnshoe. For sure not. Different style, different mark, colours. If you have time, look on this auction, top of Blue de Hue was sold in France: https://www.delon-hoebanx.com/catalogue/125032?lang=fr&search=&offset=50&max=50 My set is not even close... Or not top, but provenance...
@Ming1449 - yes, looks like samurai, but also like oriental warrior. I've checked drawings from the Table of Peerless Heroes, figure looks like Ban Chao (33-103). Alternating reserves with calligraphy perfectly fit Chinese originals. Second figure looks like Si Ma Qian (c. 145-85 BC).
@JeremyBeer - your post ends the discussion about origin, IMHO. But I still have some questions. Is it possible that Wu Shuang Pu motive was copied/used by Japanese? If my set is original, means yes. I made some research before, couldn't find any. In blue and white, only Chinese vases. Other possibility - modern fake made using any mark they found in internet. Don't laugh, I can show you copies of Russian swords made in China with 'QWERTY' mark on the blade... What do you think about this example? Japanese original or fake?
Anyway, I will make and post more pictures tomorrow. Need daylight.
I've started quite interesting discussion, good 😉
I see nothing wrong with your piece, its beautiful, complete and rather uncommon.
Wu Shang Pu was certainly copied by the Japanese on porcelain, much in the same way that Japanese motifs and techniques were copied in China. The close proximity and cultural exchange means that many things were popular in both places at the same times.
Here is a Meiji, set with a similar motif.
That really is very nice!
I can't find any Japanese Wu Shuang Pu, but the man's feet are interesting. I feel I have seen simiIar feet before. It may have been on a Japanese depiction of a foreigner, but I am not certain.
Any chance it could be a Japanese blank painted in China? Just seen Jeremy's post so we can forget that question. 😆
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