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Hi all,
I bought a single lot recently with a plate I'll share later on once I'm finished researching it, but it came with these two plates. I have never seen this kind of footrim, but it looks like it'd be Kangxi period to me. Although one of them looks so crude on the bottom... Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Although I'm not sure I've ever seen the gilt spearhead border on Kangxi porcelain before since that started c. 1735 onwards, right? Could this be a later decorated piece on Kangxi porcelain?
Kind regards,
John
John,
I am not sure exactly what you have, perhaps late Yongzheng plates decorated in the Qianlong period?
That foot is something I'd expect on later Export wares, perhaps even mid 19th century, however the decoration looks okay for a lower quality Qianlong Export ware.
Very interesting.... What do the tags say on the bases?
Jeremy
I Jeremy is right on the plates but I think maybe painted in Europe
John,
Here is one with a more typical foot and anhua decorated but the spear point is on it....
I know not the same, but still promising.
https://www.lelandlittle.com/items/105073/chinese-armorial-plate-yongzheng-dynasty/
Jeremy
@bartholin John, were they from deaccessioned from M.F.A., Boston or elsewhere, Spooner (if indeed that is the name) sounds a quintessential New England name. Very pretty. Sharon
Thank you Jeremy, Brian, and Sharon!
This pair really stumps me. I agree - it looks like it was decorated in Europe, but I still think it looks like Kangxi porcelain. Very fine white, rim fritting, and footrim chips exposing an extremely fine glasslike paste. Plus the lingzhi mark, but that's where Kangxi similarities end for me.
I'm not sure on it being deaccessioned from a museum! I'm a bit embarrassed that I didn't consider that from the acronym, Sharon. Here's a close-up of the stickers. They're both the same, but one says 23 and one says 22. I will say they're not in hand yet, and still being shipped so I will take better photos once they arrive. I've just been agonizing over them this past week.
That'd be exciting if it were!
Also, neither of these are illustrated in Volume 2 of CAP.
Kind regards,
John
John,
I think Sharon is onto something. Daniel Nicholson Spooner, Knowing you like sea captain items, this should really interest you.
se the provenance section:
If his family gave one thing perhaps they gave more....
also here is a pair of plates from his service on Polly Latham's site:
https://pollylatham.com/spooner-soups-4074/
Interesting...
Jeremy
Wow - thanks for finding that Jeremy! That's incredibly interesting! I might have to reach out to the Boston MFA to see if they might know anything more about them. This is so exciting! I will definitely look more into this!
Oh I found this one:
It looks like the arms of William V, Prince of Orange (1748 - 1806). or William, IV, Prince of Orange (1711-1751). Seems like there's a large number of services relating to the House of Orange...
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/97217284_prince-of-orange-chinese-export-armorial-salt
https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/of-royal-and-noble-descent-l18306/lot.12.html
The porcelain is Kangxi but looks to have been enamelled in Yongzheng-Qianlong.
Great piece.
Vic
Thank you very much, Vic! That's reassuring that you think that also. I'd never heard of that dynamic until I got these plates. I know there are records of up to 1/3 of incoming cargo on the VOC being porcelain blanks to be decorated in Europe at a later date, but I didn't know this happened with such a large gap in time between porcelain production and decoration.
Just try to think it through.
Whenever do you see a Yongzheng or Qianlong Export plate with underglaze blue markings in 2 concentric rings ?
Then,in around the first quarter of Kangxi’s reign (around 1680 I believe) he forbade his reign mark to be placed on the bottom of his porcelain,which is when you get all the various marks underneath.
Vic
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