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It’s relatively easier to tell that the dish is a modern copy or at least a much later copy. The shape, the turquoise green glaze on the underside, the mark, etc. It has nothing to do with Qianlong period. I would like to talk a little bit more about the blue and white bowl. First, Ming glaze is supposed to look creamy and murky, which is not shown at all in this example. Second, the excessive amount of flea-bites along the mouth rim is a typical problem for porcelains in transitional period (from Chongzhen to early Kangxi) instead of Jiajing. When a later problem from transitional period comes to an earlier piece, we all know what the answer is. Third, the painting on a Ming porcelain should look childish yet vivid and interesting at the same time. Usually Sotheby’s would respond quickly to any valuable and authentic pieces. No response from them after a long waiting should be taken as a response. If I were you, I wouldn’t buy anything from the same dealer in the future. Best
In addition, the last character in the Jiajing mark was not written correctly, which would be a very rare mistake that shouldn’t happen on an imperial piece. Also, the paste on the foot rim doesn’t look right either. It’s hard to emulate the pale pink tone in the paste of authentic Ming porcelain, even nowadays
@ubecha well, you have knowledge that I never heard of, who are you? how can I become more knowledgeable as you do? I have a gift to find all sorts of pieces but I am always stuck in getting the final decision about them. here is an example of a supposedly Junyao narcissus bowl similar to one sold on Sothebys https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2017/chinese-art-from-two-american-private-collections-hk0767/lot.1107.html
but again I'm not sure, it's from a different dealer and it has the earthworm trails effect, which as I read very difficult to replicate:
here is other examples from christies: 1, 2, 3
as I don't have books or reading materials to base my research on, I only compare what I found with what previously sold in auction houses and ask here if I'm stuck on something
@sadoq95 LOL I guess I am just a boring guy who doesn’t have better things to do in my life. Well, I have to admit that I don’t know much about porcelains of Yuan or earlier. But I heard that nowadays Jun ware copies are made in such a good quality that major auction houses only accept items with prominent provenance. In other words, even experts cannot easily tell the difference. Best
Thank you @short-dong for your long and detailed answer, I learn a lot from you
Thanks to @lotusblack @jg1133 @avatar @kaolin @ming1449 @julia @ubecha for your contribution, you all are amazing! and we together complete each other weaknesses 🙂
for now, I'll forget about these pieces, I'll let you know once I found something interesting and worth your time
hi, long time no see~
the jiajing style bowl is simply new.
THANKS!
Hello guys, long time no see, last month I sent a jiajing blue and white bowl to sothebys for submission, 34 days are gone and still no reply, I am wondering what is going on, are they hesitated to tell if it is real or not, cause I did reach to them two times on their support, they told me they told the specialist concerned with my item, and I don't hear back, I sent another Qianlong Famille rose platter, and still nothing, usually they reply on me in a day to a week, this is weird:
here are the pictures of the items, both are from two different antique dealers in the USA.
1- the jiajing bowl:
2-the Famille rose platter:
someone who has quite good experience in Chinese antiques told me these are Excellent copies, but I am not sure. I'll appreciate any help from you guys:
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