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Obviously, some think it is, as it just sold for $80,000. If it is genuine, I am surprised it did not go through one of the major auction houses.
I have seen several similar plaques sold at widely varying prices over the last year or two, from around $1000 to high prices like the above. I am not experienced enough to judge authenticity, so would like to hear from the experts on this forum. (I have neither the budget nor the expertise to even consider bidding on a Cheng Men work, but I do like qianjiang and am trying to learn as much as possible.)
Thank you,
Carol
Hi Carol,
I believe that the plaque sold by Oakridge auction is a genuine example.
The first example is from a know collection and the calligraphy matches very well imo.
Mark
These are two others that were at auction. These did not sell.
The price achieved by Oakridge was in my opinion a very high price for his works.
Typically they sell for around $10,000-20,000 usd.
Thank you, Mark. I agree that the price seems high, especially since Oakridge did not go into detail on the provenance. I have seen plaques that I thought must be copies/fakes with similar calligraphy, that either did not sell or that sold for low prices. A field fraught with danger, to be sure! Sometimes I am glad that my porcelain budget is limited; that, in itself, keeps temptation at bay.
Carol
Dated year 1879 when said artist would have been 46. Dangerous without any further provenance.
George
Dear Mark and George,
I could not agree more with your conclusions. I have bought a few qianjiang pieces by lesser or unknown artists, and for far, far less money. If a known artist, I compare as carefully as I can with books and legitimate websites, such as that by N K Koh, before bidding or buying. If one or more should turn out to be copies, it will be a disappointment and a lesson, but the loss will not be great.
Thank you again for your feedback,
Carol
It is not genuine at all. The style is rather modern after the Cummunism.
Cheng Men lived end of Qing and this painting does not have any Qing in it.
Obviously, some think it is, as it just sold for $80,000. If it is genuine, I am surprised it did not go through one of the major auction houses.
I have seen several similar plaques sold at widely varying prices over the last year or two, from around $1000 to high prices like the above. I am not experienced enough to judge authenticity, so would like to hear from the experts on this forum. (I have neither the budget nor the expertise to even consider bidding on a Cheng Men work, but I do like qianjiang and am trying to learn as much as possible.)
Thank you,
Carol
@ahgu Could you please tell us a little more about why this painting does not have anything of Qing in it? I started this topic because I want to learn. I live in an area where I have little chance of viewing genuine objects; I have to go by books and the internet.
I would like to add a picture of a plaque, also supposedly by Cheng Men, that sold in August for $1000 on invaluable. https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/cheng-men-chinese-artist-enamel-porcelain-plaque-42-c-1da49f68c9
This is just one of similar pieces that have come on the market in the last few years. It is hard to judge from a small computer image; at least, I find it so. But then, I have no experience at all of seeing or handling in person anything by Cheng Men.
I look forward to learning more.
Carol
Carol,
Here are some thoughts for you:
I have always admired Chinese style landscape paintings for many years. In my younger days I studied books, visited my Local Museum and the Palace Museum in Taipei and and took note.
When starting to acquire landscape scrolls I concentrated on condition and monumental style that I loved. I never purchased anything based on a specific famous artist’s signature. If I had, I most likely would have ended up with a roomful of copies purchased at ridiculous prices.
I now am an old guy with a roomful of majestic mountain landscapes to enjoy every day.
George
@gfhandel George,
Words of wisdom, indeed!
Neither would I buy based on the name of an artist. (I would have to stick to the lesser names, anyway.) I envy you your mountain landscapes. My only mountain landscapes are painted on more modest pieces of porcelain, although I do have a few Japanese woodblock prints that I enjoy. And books, of course!
Carol
@gfhandel I recently acquired my first majestic landscape. I've wanted one for awhile and am so happy to have found it. I have yet to learn who the artist is. It has one faint seal that is hard to see. I bought it for it's beauty. If it turns out to be by someone of known significance I suppose I will have to sell it. And if not I will have something I can cherish for years. A win either way! But in researching landscape paintings I am truly falling more and more into love with them. Definitely my favorite style of Asian painting. Even in pictures they are wonderful, but there is nothing quite like unrolling one slowly to have it's beauty revealed for the first time. A truly special experience indeed.
@imperialfinegems Here's one I just came across in an old auction catalog. Looks like a beauty.
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