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 Pete
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Topic starter 14/05/2022 7:16 pm  

Hi all, would appreciate your thoughts on my blue and white covered paste box.  Measures 4" w x 2.5" h.  Thanks for having a look!

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15/05/2022 3:36 am  

Hi, in my opinion it’s modern, made to look old. 

Birgit


   
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15/05/2022 7:59 am  

I agree.  I was certain I have seen this style before, but I couldn't remember where.  So, I did a quick search this morning to try to find something similar but the only one I found was asking 300 dollars or £  and I wasn't convinced by that one either. 

I felt they might be around 1960s or so but then I also saw some similar items that were clearly new as they were being shipped from China, so I don't know about that estimate anymore.

Other than what looks to be an attempt at pretending it is old, the things that struck me were that the blue looks modern and the shape seemed a bit unbalanced because the lid is more steep sided than curved?  That could be the photos though.


   
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15/05/2022 10:58 am  

I'm not sure about it being made to deceive. I mean, if that is the case what is it trying to look like, do we have any comps? I am more inclined to think it is just a lower quality, functional item with a little bit of age, maybe late 19th or early 20th C.   John  


   
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15/05/2022 12:57 pm  

You could be right John, I am just going on what I have seen and what I saw, but no one said it was made to deceive.  People often buy things that look old because they like that look. The problem is that it falls into the hands of someone who thinks it is old and sells it as such - or someone who knows it isn't old and they try to use it to deceive.

 

 


   
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15/05/2022 1:11 pm  

I still think it was made to deceive. During many centuries the potter always tried to do his best with the available material. If you find something with so many black spots and rough foot rim it’s usually a fake. Trying to look vaguely Ming or Kangxi or just „somehow antique“. 

Birgit


   
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15/05/2022 1:34 pm  

@shinigami Ah! I was guessing 19th c. 


   
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15/05/2022 4:03 pm  

Chinese, Japanese or other? I can't figure out what the design is supposed to be, animal, vegetable or mineral? I do like the dark cobalt.


   
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15/05/2022 10:12 pm  

Here are some photos of a seal paste box in my collection.  I think it was Hatcher cargo.  I have never seen that shaped top on one of these seal paste boxes.  Your box is quite large compared to mine at 2” in diameter.

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15/05/2022 10:48 pm  

Its a unusual shape. But I agree with others that it is highly probable to modern. Made to  imitate Kangxi period.

Mark 


   
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16/05/2022 1:48 am  

The design are the dancing boys. @steve I haven’t seen all kitchen Qing designs but this box looks modern to me. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 06/06/2022 2:30 pm  

Thanks everyone for your responses


   
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