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08/10/2022 1:09 pm  

David, isn't that the remains of a white slip in your first picture? That was my first thought, but now looking more closely at picture of the bottom, it's hard to say whether it's just lighting.


   
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Topic starter 08/10/2022 8:55 pm  

Craig,

I'm having the same problem with identifying the slip.  When all is said and done I'm happy with the Song-Yuan dilemma. Now I have the same problem of the southern kilns making celadon wares found in the Philippines.  I have quite a few celadons from in my stay there. Now I'll have to figure them out!

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08/10/2022 10:56 pm  

David,

That my friend is a beautiful collection! Very thoughtfully put together. It's a small museum. 👍 

But I think Song-Yuan is right for it. Looking back now I see it might never have been an amber glaze, but instead a celadon with too much/little oxygen in the kiln. And embarrassingly enough, I actually have something very close at home. The glaze is gone (saltwater) but the paste, rim and foot are a good match with yours. The ears though are the strap type.)

Do you have this book by Monique Crick? Chinese_Trade_Ceramics_for_Southeast_Asia  It's good, but seems very pricey now.

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But your top row is the show stopper. Maybe 3-4 Ankorian pieces on the left?

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Then a couple Sankampaeng beakers on the right?

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I'm always so interested in these pre-Ming finds in the Philippines. 20-25 years ago I saw lots of Ming/Qing blue and white in touristy shops in Mindanao and Visayas. Lots of nice shipwreck pieces, but mostly 17-19th century, nothing this old or unique.

Do you know what the squat jars (top row #5 and 8) are?

Thanks for posting,

Craig

 

 


   
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Craig,

I believe #5 is called black-brown in the Locsin book some are more or less black all in stoneware called "Tang style surviving into Song period" p50."  #8 is spotted ocher ware with spots : Like mine with rings (and some spots) Song-Yuan according to Locsin p48.

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10/10/2022 1:25 am  

Thanks David, great photos and great jars.


   
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