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Hello, how are you doing? today I'de like to share with you some of the pieces I found so far, I think they are authentic and from the period, please tell me your opinion:
1- jiajing Mark and period wucai jar
2- Archaic jade water vessel from the ming dynasty or earlier
3-guan dish from the song dynasty
I'll appreciate any contribution from you guys, thank you:
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@sadoq95 I cannot speak for the jade, (I'll leave that to @xin_fawis or another), however the jar is a much later example attempting to be a mark and period piece. The footrim is totally wrong as is the painting and colors unfortunately.
As for the crackle piece, I wouldn't call it Guan, however the foot rim and interior look off to me, however I'll let @ming1449 or @william help here.
Best,
Justin
Hi,
Nice to hear from you, again. Unfortunately, I agree with the others about the jar. It is definitely modern. Take a look at the opening rim and the inside as well as the foot, the shape and the way the people have been done.
Sorry, I can't help with the other pieces,
Julia
Here is one from Sotheby's different decoration but you can enlarge the photos to have a better look at how it should be:
Agree with others, the jar is modern. The colors are vaguely Kangxi revival though probably too garish. There are two kinds of faces: underglaze blue and overglaze red/black. There are overglaze faces with underglaze hands and vice versa. This is rather unusual and reminds me of Giovanni‘s words „gilding the lily“. Meaning that trying to make it look interesting they just did too much.
Birgit
@sadog95
Hi Ibrahim -
Concur with others, the jar is a modern reproduction coping known Jiajing originals ...
I will only add that the body, interior and base glaze appears very 'white', although this may be the images, and there are a number of stroke errors within individual characters of the mark. I will try and find/post some genuine examples for comparison tomorrow ...
I have little knowledge of jades, so will defer to Mark @imperialfinegems or Xin @xin_fawis opinions on this ...
As for the crackled dish, from the images certainly not guan ware or anything close to such. The glaze tone, which again could be the images and/or lighting, footrim and base are wrong, and I have never seen an authentic guan or ge glazed dish with an unglazed centre ...
William @william is considerably more knowledgeable then me regarding such wares, so again I defer to him ...
Stuart
Yes, I was wondering if it might not be Chinese. I am not very familiar with Vietnamese pieces but the look of the crackle made me think Japanese. However, that dark area on the middle with the point at one side looks odd. A better picture of the base and knowing which colour is correct would help.
The uneven center comes from dipping the plate by hand into the glaze and then turning it round. It’s not a fault but a decoration style. Sometimes it’s even more irregular. The dark background makes me think Vietnamese but I don’t have access to my books for a while so can’t look it up.
Birgit
Hi Ibrahim,
Unfortunately, the so-called archaic jade vessel is not Ming or earlier period. In my opinion its a 20th century century example.
Your images are not the best. However there is evidence of stuttering and shaky where the modern drill has stopped and started. You will also note chipping on either side of the line indicates high speed drill.
My advice to you is to either not buy this or if you have purchased it to try and return it for a full refund.
Carving like these are flooding the market. Especially on etsy and ebay.
They have decorative value only.
Mark
@sadog95
Hi Ibrahim -
Attached images of two small square cup/bowls, Jiajing mark and period, in the Gugong, Palace Museum, Beijing …
Not the same form, but note the differences in drawing style, enamel/glaze tones, footrim trimming/finish and mark writing, all very different to your jar …
Stuart
Hi Ibrahim, good to hear from you. I agree with Birgit regarding the crackle piece, as most likely some sort of kitchen Qing, reminds me of Indonesia and Malaysia, as does its setting for the photo on the mat. I love these simple wares, but they should not be expensively priced, so keep that in my mind if you buy it.
Hi Ibrahim,
Unfortunately, the so-called archaic jade vessel is not Ming or earlier period. In my opinion its a 20th century century example.
Your images are not the best. However there is evidence of stuttering and shaky where the modern drill has stopped and started. You will also note chipping on either side of the line indicates high speed drill.
My advice to you is to either not buy this or if you have purchased it to try and return it for a full refund.
Carving like these are flooding the market. Especially on etsy and ebay.
They have decorative value only.
Mark
Agree with Mark. This jade is not old at all.
The wucai jar is mordern.
The dish with crackle is just an usual old ware for daliy use.
Xin
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