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This is from the same estate as the older bronze I recently posted. I had to use my flash to get shots of the underside so take that into effect when assessing. I really have no idea about this one, so I'm all ears.All I know is that it looks to be old. Not sure but maybe the metal bracing underneath was added later to provide extra reinforcement? Hopefully someone will know what this is. I'll posts some pictures of the horse that sits on top of it at a later time which could be of interest for people to see as well.
It has a vague Chinese style but it is not Chinese. The joints are not the typical Chinese joints.
Giovanni
Hi John,
Well photo's don't help but I think it is from Indonesia and made from teak. Import shop's in Australia are full of this type of thing, and have been since the 1980's. As @clayandbrush stated no Chinese craftsman would make joints like that. If it has been restored it has been done fairy recently they have used machine made screws with those metal fittings. A photo taken from the front, taken at a little distance may help.
Michael
@clayandbrush When you say joints are you referring to the metal bracing or the wood itself? Also, the table is obviously quite old, so do you have knowledge about where "Chinese style" tables like this would have been produced if it wasn't in China?
@brettm Also, there seems nothing recent to me about the restoration, although I suppose it depends on what you consider recent. The metal pieces and work seems quite old.
Dear John,
I do not know where this table has been made. Nevertheless, not in China because they have particular techniques of wood joinery which are not in your table.
By the pictures, I can’t identify the type of wood for sure, but it seems mahogany.
I agree with you that the metal reinforcements are not recent. Similar screws we can see even on furniture of 200 years back (I am not saying that the table is 200 years old).
The table is not new, it has some age, how much I do not know. One hundred years? Who knows?
Giovanni
@clayandbrush Giovanni, I will try to get some better pictures of the wood. If just for the sake of it we say the table dates back to the mid-1800's or earlier, would Europeans have been making Chinese style tables that far back? I know that reproductions in porcelain has a long history, but what about funiture, is it the same way with that? I would love to hear your insights about that. Thanks!
Dear John,
I can’t say for sure, I am not expert on that, but for the little I know, here in Europe it was in use, since the 18th century, to make furniture in “supposed” Chinese style, actually Chinoiseries. Not really trying to reproduce the original, rather the common idea of Chinese decoration.
Giovanni
Hi John,
Very hard to explain Chinese or Japanese joints or cabinet making in a post so here is a link that you can read in your own time. Basically Chinese joints were designed and made to let the timber breath or move in all atmospheric conditions with out screw's, nails, or glue.
Those screw heads are 19th Roberts patent slot heads, still made today but out of bright steel or other rust resistant steel. Somebody has tried to age those screws that are in the table with a hammer and likely a bath in spirit of salts.
Thomas Chippendale a famous British furniture maker and designer published many style manuals in the 18th century. some in what they thought was a Chinese style.
https://eyefordesignlfd.blogspot.com/2015/03/decorating-in-chinese-chippendale-style.html
The reason I said the table might be from Indonesia is that I think I can see traces of blue paint to the underside Teak tends to go that ghostly grey color when has been dipped in chemicals to remove old paint.
Hope you can get better photo's would be good if it turns out the table is a good one that has just been in the hands of a poor restorer
Michael
@brettm Thanks for that info. I will look through it all. I'm looking forward to learning about Chinese furniture! When you say if it turns out to be a good one that was poorly restored, do you mean a good European/other early copy or do you think there could still be an outside chance it might be Chinese?
Hi John,
Wold be very surprised if was European.
It is just the basic shape that makes me think it is a fairly modern take on a Chinese item. As @clayandbrush Giovanni tries to teach us on his very informative post on ceramics first stand back at a little distance look at the shape and proportions if they seem right then look to the details.
The table in my view the width is wrong in proportion to it's height. If you can take a photo standing in front of the table about 10 ft away it will give a better idea. From your close up of the timber it still look like S.E. Asian Teak it is very hard to say when the timber is covered in muddy polish. If you can find a spot where there is no polish it would help. When I say a good one I mean that it might not be brand new and made to look old. Lots of nice furniture was made in Indonesian in the late 19thc and early 20th century. In Australia the older items are known as Anglo- Indonesian. There are a few collectors for it and it can bring quite high prices for really good items.
Sorry if I sound pessimistic about your item but I think it is best to be cautious based on photo's
Michael
@brettm Caution is wise, and you and Giovanni have given me some good info to begin my studies. Although I like to dream also so I will still hold on to hope. Would love to know more specifics about the anglo-Indonesian items of quality that you mention if you have good examples to show. I will try to get more images to share for further study.
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