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Topic starter 09/11/2021 10:50 pm  

My first thoughts were late Republic. I like the glaze pulls, orange peel glaze and the ink stamp reign mark. Not loving the ground-in dirty foot. A customer wants to sell it to me for $400 but there’s just two red flags for me. The dirty foot and it’s thick and heavy. Size is 22” by 7” at the shoulders. I’d appreciate your input. I’m rotten with Republic stuff, if it’s genuine at all. Thanks

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10/11/2021 12:44 am  

@teryjaky,

Personally I would pass on this vase.

I dont think it's republican. Looks later. But the images are not the best!

The painting quality is poor and stiff looking. The egrets look overcrowded with foliage.

The felt pads are nearly always a  bad sign of modern production.

Mark 


   
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10/11/2021 2:21 am  

Some points look credible but others don’t so I would pass that too. The decoration is too crowded and the surface is strange. And of course the felt pads. They seem to appear everywhere but I never found an authentic item that had them. 

Birgit


   
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10/11/2021 2:37 am  
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Felt pads are fairly common accessories on heavy pieces of porcelain.Added by the owner,same as you would on table legs that stand on wooden flooring to protect the wooden surfaces.

Personally I like the Vase for its texture and imperfections.

The ring handles also seem nice.

Not all decorators were top quality.

The use of a rubber stamp could take it back to as early as the 1880’s (except for the Vase style) but a translation from a reader of Chinese of all the text would be helpful.

So much stuff is being faked that it really is a minefield out there.

Vic

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10/11/2021 3:04 am  

I rather like it, too, but am not sure of when it was made. Some things do look good, others puzzle me.

What are the square marks on the base?  Also, the reign mark on the neck is written in an odd way. I assume it is a reign mark? It looks like it starts da qing but I can't find this script although I am sure I have seen it before.


   
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10/11/2021 3:30 am  

I remember what the base reminds me of. I had a slab constructed vase, heavy, lots of orange peel, which Stuart ( I think!) told me was of a type easily purchased in tourist type areas in Hong Kong, I think that was it.  Again, I liked it, which is why I bought it, but mine had more obvious clues that it wasn't as old as it was trying to be and was a lot cheaper.

I suspect this could be one of those wares, but you never know.


   
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10/11/2021 4:49 am  

@teryjaki Good example of late 19th c. Qianjiang. $400 is cheap as this looks to be a large vase.  I wish it was mine!


   
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Topic starter 10/11/2021 5:28 am  

I also am not worried about the felt pads. I suspect it was necessary to keep a heavy vase from scratching a wooden surface. It was really the dirty foot that worried me. I’m still on the fence with this and the input is about 50/50 as to genuine or fake. Very much appreciating these opinions.


   
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Topic starter 10/11/2021 5:42 am  

@julia 

I think the square marks are trivet marks in the glaze. It’s another point I’m unsure about. I  understand that trivets were sometimes used in firing Chinese porcelain but not very often.


   
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10/11/2021 6:37 am  

Terjaki, please sell it to me for 400 dollars.

It is a great vase! Worth much more. I am sure that it has been painted by a real Qianjiang painter, because the quality is quite good.

Buy it if you can.

Regards,

Giovanni

 


   
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10/11/2021 8:05 am  

Thanks, I hadn't seen square marks like that before. Are the trivets metal?

Glad you had several positive views on the vase.  I think you were right to be cautious though, as Vic says, it is quite a minefield out there.  


   
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10/11/2021 12:31 pm  

It would be interesting to possibly get a translation here. 

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 10/11/2021 2:54 pm  

@clayandbrush  Haha! Oh man! Now I feel like I should roll the dice and just buy it! Thank you


   
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10/11/2021 3:26 pm  

@teryjaki I like the vase also for late 19th early 20th. And Greeno and Giovanni agreeing on something is fairly rare, so you can take this one to the bank. Buy it!


   
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