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Folks need your thoughts on this what I believe to be 1920’s Nippon the wife asked me about. Export hand painted with what looks like an artismo makers mark.
Hi Ronm,
Not an expert on these nippon wares. As you know they are being faked.
A quick study reveals its the morimura bros mark from about 1891-1911. Whether this is correct or not I can't advise.
Personally it looks OK for early to mid 20th century.
Dave @short-dong would I believe be able to enlighten us all here.
Mark
In my opinion the vase looks genuine and from that era. As for the backmark it looks good, but you will have to Judge for yourself.
America is more common for fakes than europe as Nippon has a whole new meaning in America. There are rarely as many fakes in europe and Noritake replaces or fills the space of Nippon. Nippon Toki Kaisha Ltd the precursor to Noritake was making porcelain in the late 19th and the early 1900's. The Noritake company followed and the 'Komaru' symbol for Noritake was released in 1908.
Here are some pictures of one of the first products to come out of Noritake, they have the "Komaru" symbol alone without the 'made in japan' or Noritake name. These were on of there first high quality Dinner design. I have forgotten the name of the design but it begins with the letter D and sounds like an aunt's name.
Anyway my reason for posting these is 2 fold:
Morimura Kumi (Morimura Brothers) are the company behind your backmark called the Nippon Maple leaf, they were the founders of Noritake. The design on your vase was likley an origional concept for this 'rose design' on my vases and bowl and tea cup in th epictures below.
So you can compare the style of the noritake painting and secondly you can also get an idea of the Gold leaf they used. Noritake of that era was i think was better quality than what many refer to as Nippon in my opinion, with a much higher bone china and better artists and factory. Then again Nippon is loved for the era it represents and there are superior Nippon to Noritake, and of course later Noritake is not Nippon. Many people would likely disagree with that and some people don't like Noritake as much.
These are the very earliest Noritake Export design from around 1908... The Komaru on its own was one of the earliest back mark, but also during the war many British people scraped off the made in Japan and Noritake and so you can also find Komaru but is post war.
The might give an idea of the gold leaf.
I found these on the NoritakeGuild from the Joan VanPatten’s ABCs of Collecting Nippon.
“Maple Leaf Nippon”, dates back to 1891. Found in green, blue (shown) & magenta. Van Patten’s #52. This mark should be 1/4″ high. Known fake Maple Leaf backstamps are 1/2″ high.
Genuine /Real
FAKE
Presumably real. Just one I found.
Thanks for the input and the history lesson. I did a bit of research but couldn’t pin down the Maple leaf back stamp, looked more like a butterfly to me. It is listed on. Local buy and sell, offerd $60 Can (about $48US.) They weren’t ready to decide, they have no idea and admit it an are waiting on input from an out side source. The fact the age is a decade or two older than I thought allows me to offer more should it come down to it.
Go Noritake Go 🤯
These are gaining some traction, at least these old first edition sets. Finally my wild off the beaten track investments might actually be beginning to become worthwhile. I remember posting a noritake cake plate with that first edition mark that I got for a mere 99p here on bidamount amongst all the Kangxi and transition ware, and I had a big grin on my face, and everyone was like, omg 🙄 and did no thave a clue what i was so happy about. If i can get £80 that would be a 7000% profit. These ebay are not mine, i was just watching them.
So you never know what might one day become valuable.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/393492959965
Here is a link that might be useful
https://myriadtradingco.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/nippon-backstamps-and-known-dates-of-manufacture/
@ronm Did you ever buy the vase?
Here is a sharp rise for Noritake.
This damaged tea set sold today for £690 sterling or $950 dollars.
Dave, no I did not. It was listed for a couple of more days then it was gone. The seller was asking $90 can. As a mid 1920’s vase, lots of them about. Being an early pre Noritake may be I should have been a bit more aggressive and upped my offer. There will be others.
@short-dong I see more Noritake than Chinese pottery here in the states no one wants it. Let me know what you are looking for and I’ll keep a eye out. All dealers here will work with you. I have passed up a lot of it lately.
@short-dong I see more Noritake than Chinese pottery here in the states no one wants it. Let me know what you are looking for and I’ll keep a eye out. All dealers here will work with you. I have passed up a lot of it lately.
There is a market for it, but most of it is not so much desired, It is the more exceptional pieces, such as the old rose collection i posted above or the complete tea set's such as the desert collection. It takes some work to understand the market for noritake. Many items are not easily sold but some items are heavily desired. Complete early 20th century tea sets, handpainted ( which the early 20th all are) such as the meadows collection, Desert collection, etc are sought after and sometime just vases will suffice.
I guess it is complicated and while i understand the european marks, it is harder in USA as there are fakes and Nippon means something different and noritake struggles in that catagory.
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