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What I don't understand is that an authentic 'tian' marked Chenghua period doucai jar is estimated at only SEK 20,000 - 30,000 by an otherwise reputable auctioneer. Since these jars are even rarer than the chicken cups the damage to the base wouldn't have much of an impact on the value of the piece which is also outstandingly beautiful. https://www.bukowskis.com/en/auctions/609/683-kruka-porslin-mingdynastin-chenghuas-period-1465-87?from_language=sv Last time such a jar was discovered it sold at Sotheby's for more than a million dollar and that was in 2001 befor the prices exploded. Today the same jar would probably bring much more. https://www.antiquesandthearts.com/london-dealers-purchase-junk-shop-jar-for-1-09-million/
Very strange. Unfortunately I know nothing about these wares. I found the missing piece at the base to be very odd indeed.
So has it been extensively repaired or other?
Mark
Hi Avatar -
The jar sold by Bukowskis is not Chenghua period, the drawing of the motifs, painting style and enamel colours are totally wrong, and the overall composition is unknown for this period ...
I have the two volume 2016 exhibition catalogues of Imperial Chenghua porcelains from the Gugong which should pieces from the ex Qing court collection alongside reconstructed objects unearthed at various times from the Imperial kilns in the last 30 years, and also revised 2017 National Palace Museum, Taipei exhibition catalogue 'Essential collection of Chenghua porcelain ware'...
Nothing remotely like this is in either publication ...
Stuart
It says in the description that there is a similar excevated jar.
Quote: "Compare similar exhibited in Beijing 2008, page 304 and onwards.
The Emperors broken China. Reconstructing Chenghua porcelain. Regina Krahl, Julian Thomson, Sothebys, Asia Hous London, Dorchester, Jingdezhen cermaic archaelogical research institute, Eskenazi, British Airways. 1995. page 112"
I don't remember to have seen that one either. There should be twelve known intact Chenghua period doucai jars. Here is a picture of eleven of them - the so-called heirloom pieces. The picture is copied from this site where higher resolution picture of the individual jars can be seen. https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/41179074 Additionally there is the jar sold by Sotheby's and the exevated examples. Here's the link to the excevated pieces at Henan Museum. http://www.hnmuseum.com/sites/default/files/statics/tezhanhuimou/2014KilnOfMing%E5%BE%A1%E7%AA%91%E5%AF%86%E7%A0%81/eng/treasures.html I guess I must go to the library to look through the books referred to by Bukowskis if I can't find them online. But yes, I'm of course also sceptical myself about the authenticity of said jar...
Although this type of ware is not in my area of interest I would have to agree with Stuart's assessment.
The cobalt blue is wrong as is the yellow, the later almost looks like a watered-down lemon colour. And the so-called iron red is terrible. The bird and decorations look stiff with no natural flow on effect.
The overall look (glaze) is new. Have a close look. And that cut away at the base is, very odd indeed! Not damaged or repaired from what I can see. Looks like it was cut away prior to firing to give the impression of repairs/other.
I suppose if one was so inclined, rather than search endlessly through books etc. One could simply contact Cecilia from the auction for confirmation/further details etc.
Mark
I just came across this picture when surfing around on the Chinese sites. Unfortunately there is no picture of the side or the base. I wonder if that's the jar referred to by Bukowskis or just another modern production. But yes, the easiest would probably be to write them an email but I would like to look through the books anyway so l'll probably pay a visit to the Design Museum where they have a nice collection and a good library. But probably not before spring time when it gets a little warmer...
Here is the above referenced page 112 from 'The Emperor’s Broken China'. Far cry from Bukowskis' copy.
Thanks for posting. I'll get back to this topic tomorrow. Have a nice evenig
It seems like there are at least 4 additional Chenghua period doucai jars - two of them with identical design - in an unidentified museum, possibly imperial collection, if you follow this link: http://www.zhshj.org.cn/pic/tuku/3575.html?fbclid=IwAR3xpuD0l1JPw3Clp9wbIb4Fsu8cFzBTA06IhdCqqaDENR3Gc8nm1Yo7m78 Can anyone here confirm this?
Especially the jar with the butterfly and flower decoration is interesting for me. Some years ago I researched a jar with the same decoration that had a Chenghua six-character mark to the base, available for a bargain in an online auction. I had previously only seen this design on a Qing dynasty copy and thought that the jar I had come across could be the actual Chenghua period original. Unfortunately I didn't buy it which I regret now when I learn there is actually one such jar of the Chenghua period in existence. If it's a new discovery or if it has been around forever I don't know. And here is a picture of the Qing dynasty copy: I still have the link to the jar I found but I'm not sure if I really want to share it so here is a picture I found online of yet another jar with said design - probably a modern copy?
Hi Avatar/Cory -
The composition of medallion of flowers, chrysanthemums and butterfly is well known:-attached images of a Chenghua m/p jar in the Gugong, Beijing, H. 11.1 cm ...
Stuart
Another CH m/p with rosette of flowers design, H. 19.7 cm, also in the Gugong ...
Stuart
And this CH m/p piece with composition of lotus within panels, H. 12.7 cm, also in Gugong ...
Stuart
This CH m/p jar, H. 13.9 cm with bamboo and lingzhi fungus scroll design is from the National Palace Museum Coll, Taiwan ...
Stuart
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