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Han Dynasty Olive green glazed Hu with friezes
Identical pair, Height 22cm, animal figures
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Hello, sorry but these are really far from being Han dynasty.
@clayandbrush Hi Giovanni, thank you for your reply. I know it can be a surprise to see them in this yellowish oil green as they normally are in green glazed. But these are authentic and originated from Han. Hope that answers your question, and feel free to drop us an email for further questions.
Sorry but there are several points which are wrong. First at all the base, those circular marks are completely off. The stilt marks too are not the usually seen ones. These were invariably unearthed ware; they must have more or less silvering encrustation which I do not see here.
Unless, of course, it is matter of pictures.
Lewis Antiques, AlexanderorientalAntiques, ...now Alex Antiques? You’ve been on the website less than a week, and you already have three names and three emails? It does not inspire confidence.
take it with a grain of salt
@watership hi Watership, Apologise for the confusion but we are going through a phase of rebranding but it is run by both Alex and myself Lewis.
@clayandbrush In most cases encrustation is sufficient evidence for authentication but artefacts stored in dry grounds (which is also common in Southern Italy, South America And China) can only detected with microscope.
that is not a stilt mark, it is from the process of glazing and has drip to the bottom of the jar. Stilt mark are mostly seen on bigger ‘hu’ and not all necessary.
The ‘circular marks’ are general wear out, we intend to keep our pieces original and without touch up and restoration when possible.
Sorry but those are not just glaze drippings, those are glaze drippings on non-sense stilt supports.
And the circular marks are clearly potting circles.
The rim of both them is wrong.
Plus other things; these are wrong, sorry.
@clayandbrush Thank you for your reply. We are intrigued in hearing what you mean with other things.
I am not sure what is your idea of kiln support but ancient low fire lead glazing jars can be different from contemporary practice, which often either on flat surface or pieces are on top of each other.
It is not my idea about kiln supports of this type of ware. It is instead how they were made, or more exactly which type, were in use during Han dynasty.
Please provide pictures of a genuine Han Hu jar with the signs of the support like those that we see on you pair of jars. Those are, as said a non-sense. Just think on the function of them and everybody will understand that those are not logical. If you think that they are right, then I must say that I have some doubts about your competence, sorry. It is not possible to deny the evidence.
And please, do not answer trying to suggest that I may be mistaken with modern ware, etc etc. Perhaps it would be better for you to consider that there is the possibility that somebody out there could have some knowledge.
If you will post a couple of pictures showing the rim mouth of those jars, it will be easy to see that they are completely off.
These old things are not my field. But the crisp and undamaged decoration, the missing traces of age and the fact that it’s a pair in the same look and condition would make me cautious. That’s not against you, Alex, it’s just the fact that they remind me of the more dubious offers on Ebay with sellers located in China, and for some reason their items often come in pairs too. Just a feeling in my case and I might well be wrong.
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