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 Richard Gabriel
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Topic starter 20/05/2024 7:48 pm  

A Hand-painted Chinese Export Kraak (Japan) Porcelain Blue And White Plate Ming, Wanli Period, 1573-1620...

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Shinigami
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21/05/2024 2:03 am  

These items are not really my field but it looks like Japanese transfer print to me. 

Birgit


   
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21/05/2024 2:32 am  

Birgit @shinigami is correct here in my opinion.

This is Japanese transfer ware from the Meji period 1868-1912.

Mark 


   
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22/05/2024 1:40 am  

It looks stencilled rather than a transfer but Birgit and Mark are correct : it is a Japanese, Meiji period plate


   
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22/05/2024 6:09 am  

Agree agree and agree, and don't bid on this. The approximate value of this piece is coincidentally lying next to it. 

take it with a grain of salt


   
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 Richard Gabriel
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Topic starter 22/05/2024 8:31 am  

Thanks all, I had my doubts as well but hey, you don't find out until it's on the market. Hard to tell but it will be changed!

Cheers, 

Richard


   
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22/05/2024 10:16 pm  

Hi Richard,

I have to apologize. I took a quick glance at the pictures and assumed it was stenciled and saw the opportunity to be funny 😄. It certainly is in the style of mass-produced stenciled plates that are readily available for peanuts. But upon closer examination, it is at least partially hand-drawn or maybe all done by hand. It is Japanese and Meiji, that seems certain. I don't see the obvious evidence of stenciling or transfer that are normally present. Basically, the style screams stenciling, but I am now doubtful. Maybe my friends Mark, Birgit and Julia can take another look and weigh in again. 
Todd

take it with a grain of salt


   
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23/05/2024 2:07 pm  

I still think this is at least partly stencilled - if it isn't it is quite poorly painted. For example, only one of the cartouches is aligned correctly, there is a strange line like one sees on prints, all the smudging, the odd-shaped flower infills etc. The back is hand-painted, but the front really does look like it is stencilled. I can see why you are having doubts, but given the messiness, I don't see how so many small, fairly thick lines could have been achieved without even more mess without a guide of sorts.That doesn't mean I am right, of course!

I did laugh at Todd's joke, however I do believe that estimate of $20-$40 and the starting price are reasonable. What I don't understand is the reference to Wanli. And given this is Japanese, I would remove the other references to China, too.😊

I have no idea why this is appearing as a quote, but I won't try to change it in case it all disappears!😁


   
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23/05/2024 3:18 pm  

It is stenciled Japanese, last quarter 19th century.

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Mine is only 5.5" diameter, but the 3 friends of winter in center and other decoration, including the outside hand painting, the nine inch would be more valuable and has the old stilt marks on back, but about the same age and I bought mine in the early eighties, I think the 9" would be worth closer to the 20-40 price range. The cobalt blue on these older stenciled pieces are truly lovely, price low because mass produced. Sharon

 


   
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23/05/2024 3:30 pm  

P.S. Stencil and transfer are not the same technique


   
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23/05/2024 10:19 pm  

Hi Julia,

Yes, I think you are right. Your observations are convincing as usual. If it were not stenciled, why would it be so misaligned? The back is hand-drawn, agree also. Just a cleaner job than most stencil examples.

take it with a grain of salt


   
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24/05/2024 2:04 am  

You're right about stencil, I wrongly called it transfer print. Stenciling is the older technique. 

Birgit


   
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 Richard Gabriel
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Topic starter 24/05/2024 6:49 am  

@watership Hello Todd, not a problem. I hate getting it wrong in the first place. I changed it accordingly to the comments that I have read and very much appreciate all the insights. The single ring to the double ring, what I read in an article on the transition from one dynasty to the next is that the new dynasty wanted to separate there wares, so they used the double ring versus the single. Although the article went on to say that this is an unreliable method...Wanli popped out as well. Thanks again, and I took no offense but really appreciate the insights! Richard


   
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