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Quistion: Is there anyway how to date Cloisonne enamel jar / Vases??
I read somewhere, if the bottom is blue its Chinese, but that dosent help me dating the Cloisonne Jar that I have, my guess is first half 20th century?? Or how can I tell the age of them Item?.
Hi Steen
We are a funny lot when items that are shown that have damage or signs of being well used they can get dismissed as not worthy, however when items are shown that are undamaged or show little wear they get dismissed as fake. Not sure about the color to the base thing I am sure that I have seen both Chinese and Japanese with that turquoise color to the base. The best way of telling is the design elements and decoration. Not sure it's that important with your nice pot think it would date to the first quarter of the 20thc by which time both China and Japan were making things like this for export to the west and they both made things they thought would appeal to western eyes. Your pot seems from the photo's to be good quality the base and the cover the exposed metal parts have that look and color of good quality gilt. If asked to take a punt would say Chinese there are people here who will be able to give you a more definite answer.
Hi Steen,
In my opinion your cloisonne jar is Chinese rather than Japanese.
Although both have very similar designs etc. The Japanese tend to have a circle like designs at their bases where the Chinese do not. There are a few u-tube videos by chamberlain antiques (Joshua) on how to tell the difference as well as some useful information if you want to Google it.
As to age I think yours is from the second half of the 20th century. Older ones from the early Republic period (1912-1949) or older tend to have pitted marks/holes within the enamel due to their age etc. However that's not a fast-rule as the fakes in China also have this recently. In addition the turquoise blue looks fairly recent.
I am not an expert nor do I collect or have interest in such wares. So the above is just my thoughts/opinion.
Mark
@imperialfinegems and Brettm Thanks a lot. I have added a few close ups of the Cloisonne jar, maybe you see things that I dont.??
Well, we agree to the Item is from somewhere 20th Century, as you said, It looks very new to the eye.
Hi Steen,
Thank you for your additional pictures.
I still think it is mid 20th century or there abouts. So circa 1950's or a little bit later.
Just my thoughts.
Mark
Steen,
Are those area's that carry the enamel raised above the surface of the pot ? If so may not be Cloisonne. It could be Champleve' enamel. That my explain the gilded look to the metal base and cover. It might not be Asian but French. If I know little about Cloisonne I know less about Champleve'. Hope we have an expert who can give an opinion.
Michael
@brettm Yes the enamel is raised above the surface of the pot not more than 0.5 MM my guess. So maybe it's Champlevé. If the French did these jar's / Vases then Iam confused. Hope someone here can answer if it's French/ China. It looks like China to me, but then again, I could be wrong.
Steen,
Perhaps if you can take a close up photo of the butterfly's /bats plus one of the dog/lion on the cover. It might help.
Michael
Hi Steen,
Your Jar is Chinese it seems found this on ebay It looks pretty much like your Jar.
Michael
I have one of those its approx. 9in ht.....I thought always thought it was Chinese Champleve/Closonne.....I thought the incised part was the Champleve and the other part with the wire and enamel was the Cloisonne.....mine I think is much newer
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