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Hello,
I just brought home this 14¼" celadon charger from the antique store. It's in excellent condition with some signs of age on the face. Judging by the slightly irregular shape and foot rim, I'm thinking it's probably 19th century but I would love to get your thoughts. (The store thought it was "vintage".)
Thank you!
Steve
I haven't come across one before, but as you say, there seem to be a few around and I agree with what Sharon says about not knowing if people are just making assumptions because they saw a similar one- always something to bear in mind!
However, I don't think yours is vintage. I know it is copying a much older style, but I don't think this is a modern copy and I think you would have doubts handling it. Something about the back looks 19th c to me but it wouldn't surprise me enormously to find out it was a little bit older, hard to say without holding it. I did see another described as 18th c but first paragraph applies! 😊
It looks a nice piece, especially if you got it for a vintage price! 😉
@steve -
Hi Steve -
Just for comparison;
Attached image of a large celadon dish, D:44cm, attributed to the 19th century. It was exhibited No 99, Collectors, Curators, Connoisseurs: A Century of the Oriental Ceramic Society’, 2021 …
Note the differences in the overall composition, motif detailing and glaze tone compared with the piece posted …
Stuart
Good morning everyone! Thank you for the input!
The celadon platter I bought last year and had Peter look at looks very similar on the face but with a more refined foot rim - Peter said it dated from the late 18th/early 19th century. It also has a bit more signs of wear and use. Instead, the one in question has an oatmeal color foot rim with a more rounded form and a fine edge of iron oxide so it looks very 19th c. to me.
It seems that celadons in the late Qing were popular and that they mimicked earlier forms and were made mostly for domestic consumption or sale to other Asian countries. They don't get a lot of attention compared to the ones from the glory days, especially Longquon examples. The higher quality examples - like the one Stuart shared - end up at places like Christies although I've found some more common examples, too (see link below). Mine is of a more common quality; I don't think the design was incised, for example, unlike Stuart's example and the body is thick and slightly uneven.
In comparing my older example with this one, you can definitely see a decline in quality.
I think I paid low(ish) market value for it: $275, including tax. But, hey, no shipping costs or commission and very good condition.
For comparison: a Christie's lot with about the same style and quality items (terrible photo, though!)
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5025783
And the charger I had Peter look at last year:
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