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Adams Asian Art
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Topic starter 11/10/2023 1:18 am  

I purchased this Sancai pagoda censer from a local auction but I know absolutely nothing about them.

Was listed as 18th Century and purchased from Bonhams.

Any thoughts here?

Mark

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Topic starter 11/10/2023 4:57 am  

Unfortunately its got three small repairs not disclosed. 

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11/10/2023 5:11 am  

@imperialfinegems A very nice Censer 👍

I personally like the older Sancai a little more, because of the darker green glaze. Kangxi Sancai green is always rather light...

with Best Regards...
Carsten


   
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11/10/2023 11:46 am  

Paste looks good for possibly 18th century.  This type of ware always seems to have led a hard life.  Perhaps, because they were popular ornaments instead of expensive pieces of art/craft in their day?


   
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11/10/2023 11:44 pm  

Very attractive with the way they painted to simulate yellow roof tiles, at first I thought thatch, but the more I looked I thought yellow ceramic tile roof. Gives me a peaceful feeling. Congratulations, Sharon


   
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Topic starter 11/10/2023 11:51 pm  

Tim @green107 found the original listing from Bonham's. 

No date listed.....and the result...ohhhh dear. 

Mark 

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12/10/2023 10:53 am  

@imperialfinegems Well, you are adding to the sale history. Thanks for posting, not what I think of when the term spinach and egg yolk is used, to me those are the splotchy pieces. Thanks to Tim too. Are you going to keep it or return for undisclosed damage? I like it, especially after reading about the significance of yellow or gold roof tiles in China. I could spin a good yarn.


   
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Topic starter 12/10/2023 11:49 am  

UPDATE:

I asked Peter what he thought. 

He sent back his thoughts as being 18th Century certainly Qianlong...possible Kangxi period. 

He said he never saw anything like this before but was unsure if both pieces were made for each other and asked me to check a few things.

The colour interior white glaze are a match but the aubergine is more intense on the base. The Pagoda is not a snug fit and has a gap.

So I don't think they were made as one unit. 

Mark 

 

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12/10/2023 3:15 pm  

@imperialfinegems 

Hi Mark - 

Most interesting to see the provenance and hear Peter's thoughts ...

Given the spaces between the fit and glaze tone differences, perhaps not original made to be together/fired at the same time but a later pairing ...

But just my thoughts ...

Stuart 

 


   
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12/10/2023 4:10 pm  

@imperialfinegems 

Hey Mark,

I really like this censer, that roof is just fantastic.

Im super slammed at the moment, but I will try and find what I am thinking of this Sunday, maybe before if I have a chance.... but have you considered Edo Kutani?

I have seen figural burners before, and the exaggerated roof and lions are very Japanese looking to me.  I do suspect 18th or 19th century just Japanese.  the example I am thinking of is a house or pagoda form burner, that I believe was Kutani made.

 

Nice find,

Jeremy

 


   
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19/11/2023 2:33 pm  

Though pictures are rather blurred, i would venture to say this censer is new. The design is beyond ancient imagination. 


   
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