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Qing period, Qianlong period (1736-1795)?
Chinese Qianlong Basket in European style and decoration and an English,Derby porcelain basket that it was copying in shape.
Which one is which ?
Ignoring the label, I think the orange peel base would be one way of distinguishing? If that is correct, I would add that the bird cartouche does not look Chinese to me.
I do not know if I am thick but I still cannot differentiate between the two hehe. I am not talk about your 2 examples Vic as it is rather clear that there is no glazing on the bottom of the Basket looking one with birds. I looked all night and day through catalogues and there so many sold Lowestoft bowls with no glazing on the bottom according to the auction houses. Is that a mistake? I included some examples.
I really want to learn how to differentiate between European and Chinese Ceramics 🙁
I found this Qianlong bowl on Rob Michiels Auction house, the style is similar to mine don't you think ?
I have also got my head in a spin as there are so many cross-over items, that look convincingly English/European but are described as being Chinese. I saw a jug that was very similar to a Chinese jug that I own, both decorated with flowers whereas I can tell mine is clearly Chinese, the other looked SO European.
I think the best advice is not to rely on the decoration alone. Check the bases and foot rims - the two Vic posted above are clearly different. I imagine one might see differences in texture of the paste - if there are chipped areas. Colours can give clues but it is always harder to spot differences in photos. Basically, go to auctions and handle things in real life to see how they weigh and feel, you can feel differences after a while.
It is not easy learning all this, but it is very interesting!
Thank you all for your comments.
I am so sorry about my spelling mistakes, I just read myself and it is horrendous.
Don't worry, I didn't notice and besides, it happens - I had to edit something I wrote, yesterday, 3 times! It is really annoying when you realise your mistakes too late to amend the post. 😊
Lowestoft famille rose is confusing with auction houses.
You are better to learn Chinese,English porcelain alone is confusing,considering we are dealing from only 1744 onwards.
Im still learning,lots more information,decorators,patterns etc known for many individual factories; Bow,Chelsea,Limehouse,Isleworth etc. that’s before you get outside London. Lots to learn.
The first of the two baskets I show above is Chinese painted in a European style and copying a European shape and moulding.,the second is Derby 1758-60.
Are they Chinese Qianlong in the style of Lowestoft ? Chinese copies of the Lowestoft style to please the European market ?
Often on Auctions' catalogs the descriptions are "18th Century Chinese Qianlong Lowestoft" or "18th Century Chinese Qianlong in the Lowestoft style"
I haven't particularly noticed the reference to Lowestoft - unless I am looking for Lowestoft, then Chinese items do pop up with that reference. You will often see the style referred to as Deutsche Blumen and if you look at the 18th c Meissen style of painting flowers you will see why.
I don't know if Meissen actually started that European look (as seen in Lowestoft pieces, too), or whether it was a more general style that they did particularly well and kind of made their own.
Does anyone know?
The first Meissen pieces were copies of Chinese Dehua and Japanese kakiemon. The flowers came later, about 1740. Deutsche Blumen is a special pattern derived from wood prints. As Meissen was the first manufacturer many others copied their patterns.
I personally am no fan of the flowers, I love and collect early Meissen where Asian influences are still clearly visible.
Ah, how interesting; thank you for that info.
I have an old Bonhams catalogue of Meissen pieces (The Marouf Collection) from the first half of the 18th c and it mentions the Kakiemon influence. Some very nice items!
Did you post some photos of your collection sometime ago? I remember you saying you collected.
Hi Julia, I haven't posted them yet but will show a small exhibition in another thread.
Wow The Marouf Collection is spectacular, Beautiful Meissen pieces.
Thanks, Birgit, they are lovely pieces! Siseno, the Marouf collection (from what I see, I only have Part 1) is indeed spectacular - and expensive! 😊
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