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Hongzhi Hole Bottom Dish
I am posting photographs of my Hongzhi period hole bottom dish, which I hope that you may like to look at. I seem to be attracted to small bowls and dishes, with this one being 10cm wide x 2.8cm tall.
That is a very attractive little dish, I love it! Not that I can comment further than that. However, what exactly do you mean by "hole bottom" dish?
At first, I assumed it was a typo, but looking closer (and not seeing any hole) what exactly does that refer to? In some parts of the photo it looks to have more of a hollowed out well rather than a foot rim - is that it?
Thank you. Yes it is the recess in the base that I understand defines it and this is the description that I have mainly seen used for this style of base.
My online research seems to show that this type of base and the style of the decoration appeared during the Hongzhi dynasty, but other members may have more information about the dating of my bowl.
Thank you, Jeremy, I am glad I asked. I have a feeling that I have seen a similar base before but I can't recall where or what the item was.
Hopefully, someone will be able to say more about it.
@julia @ jeremy
Hi Julia and Jeremy -
Attached images of similar pieces for comparison, the last is of this type recovered from the Lena Shoal junk, so 1490’s ...
The dating given in the second image is now considered slightly to broad, and such pieces are now know thought to date from mid Chenghua to Zhengde/early Jiajing - so 1470’s/1530’s ...
That's so helpful, thank you Stuart. These are very lovely pieces; I see the first one you posted also has a bird in it. I particularly like that one, too, not especially for that reason but because it shows a very nice use of space.
Thank you Stuart for this information.
I guess that my dating may be fairly safe with it roughly being in the middle of the dates that you mention. Although I had seen a dish being sold which was dated as a Chenghua period dish, I had not been able to find any definitive information regarding these dishes being made as early as that and so your information is very interesting. I think that the main thing is to enjoy owning the item and it was the delicate way in which the picture was carried out that drew me to my dish.
Jeremy and All,
I am always amazed that it is possible for ordinarily everyday people with a modest budget, can find and own items made possibly before Columbus made his journey to the west. Perhaps far to romantic of me I know but I get a big thrill seeing and touching such items that the more discerning and probably better healed collectors dismiss as Minyao or kitchen wares. I think you are very fortunate to have found such an nice example in good condition.
Thank you Michael. I agree with you and I suppose that is why my small collection is so diverse in regards to the the age range of my pieces and it also fascinates me as to how such old items have been preserved so well. I know that some of my items have been excavated, but not all.
Nice dish @jeremy,
I agree with the dating suggested by @Ming1449
It is said that these"hole bottom" dishes were used in rituals for holding water. They were/are commonly found in grave sites in South East Asia.
Another suggestion is that they were used as oil lamps for funeral rites and that the hole in the bottom would accommodate a bamboo pole. It is said that there are aluminium lamps like this still used in SEA.
Below is one that I have with the 'bird on a branch' pattern. When I bought it, it was covered partially on the inside with calcium deposits suggesting that water had repeatedly dried in there thus pointing to the ritual water bowl hypothesis :
And to add to those that Stuart has shared, here are some other common examples from the book "China as the inspiration for Japanese porcelain" . However I would say contrary to what is indicated, the dating should definitely start from the last half of the 15th century.
Thank you for showing your fine dish and the additional information. It is good to see another example.
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