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                        <title>Duberly Collection, Winchester College</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2026 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi all - 
Recently I had the privilege of seeing and handling some pieces from the collection of Major Montage and Eileen Duberly, bequeathed to Winchester College in 1978 as a memorial the...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all - </p>
<p>Recently I had the privilege of seeing and handling some pieces from the collection of Major Montage and Eileen Duberly, bequeathed to Winchester College in 1978 as a memorial their only son James (1925-44), who was killed in the Guards Chapel during WWII …</p>
<p>Attached images and catalogue description below of some of the pieces, and personal thoughts on …</p>
<p>Images 1/2/3/4; Longquan guan and cover. Typically of this type, but decoration wonderfully moulded/ carved and beautifully colour. <br />One of the best I have ever seen …</p>
<p>Images 5/6/7; Yongle period meiping. Superb piece, very elegant shape/proportions and just beautiful to handle. Top quality …</p>
<p>Images 8/9/10/11; Xuande mark and period ‘lotus’ bowl. Overall painting/cobalt tone not the best, but a nice piece to handle …</p>
<p>Images 12/13/14; Hongzhi mark and period ‘gardenia’ dish. Typical of type, nicely painted but yellow enamel not the best …</p>
<p>Images 15/16/17&amp;18; Brush rest, cataloged as ‘probably Chenghua’. <br />This dating of this caused much debate. Personally I think this is slightly later than Chenghua, probably early Hongzhi into early Zhengde, so around 1500 …</p>
<p>But just my thoughts …</p>
<p>Stuart </p>
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                        <title>Possible Ming Vase</title>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2026 05:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi I had shown this vase before I can’t seem to find my old thread, looking at the vase now that I know a little bit more thanks mostly to this forum. The vase is 18cm high 12cm wide it has ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I had shown this vase before I can’t seem to find my old thread, looking at the vase now that I know a little bit more thanks mostly to this forum. The vase is 18cm high 12cm wide it has a light bluey grey tinge to the glaze it doesn’t reflect light, it is also glazed inside. I have included two photos one from bidamount.com and one from Sothebys I know mine is not the same quality or condition but is very similar on the bottom what do you think. Thank you Dom</p>
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                        <title>Carp Motif 14 inch Blue and White Bowl - Is this a late Ming example?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2026 01:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I recently won at auction this Carp Motif 14 inch Blue and White Bowl - Is this a late Ming example?. It looks like a provincial piece.










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                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently won at auction this Carp Motif 14 inch Blue and White Bowl - Is this a late Ming example?. It looks like a provincial piece.</p>
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                        <title>Bottle ?</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 02:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi I wondering if this bottle is Japanese it is 17cm tall 17cm wide I can not find any others that are similar. Studio pottery are mostly marked this one has no marks.It is done in two piece...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I wondering if this bottle is Japanese it is 17cm tall 17cm wide I can not find any others that are similar. Studio pottery are mostly marked this one has no marks.It is done in two pieces, the insects look like a Dragon fly, Grasshopper, a butterfly and something else thank you Dom</p>
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                        <title>A couple of pieces identified as Kangxi by Google AI</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2026 01:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi All,
So, here are a couple of items that google lens AI tells me are Kangxi, but I am highly dubious, especially about the first one.  Just a couple of examples of why I don&#039;t trust Goog...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>So, here are a couple of items that google lens AI tells me are Kangxi, but I am highly dubious, especially about the first one.  Just a couple of examples of why I don't trust Google AI! </p>
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<p>So the first one is a Chinese peachbloom water pot, of which we have all seem many.  Google assures me that this has all the signs of being a real Kangxi piece of porcelain, no matter how hard I push it.  As I add extra photos, be becomes more and more certain.  It says the glaze is great, the foot rim is fine, and the little steps at the bottom the glaze line are perfect.  I, on the other hand, think it was made yesterday, and would not have bought it, had it been more than $5.  The mouth seems incorrect, too widely flaring.  The foot rim seems incorrect, and there is no sign at all of wear.  The only thing that makes me think it might have a little age is the frosting and minor mineralization on the white mouth.  What do you think?</p>
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<p>Here is the second.  Google AI tells me confidently that this is a Kangxi Bataviaware (I found 4 of them) bowl, based on several photos I uploaded.  It tells me that the color, design, and foot rim are diagnostic.  However, I would have bet that they are late 19th century Kangxi revival.  As far as I can tell, Google AI only dates them as Kangxi because most sellers online call them that.  The bowl aren't worth enough to be sold at a reputable auction house, so I can't find a reputable source.  What age do you think they are?  Now these bowls COULD be Kangxi, but can anyone be certain, and if so, why?</p>
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<p>I am posting these mainly to make the point that Google AI, while it has improved tremendously, especially with respect to translating Chinese and Japanese, is still terrible at actually identifying and dating Chinese porcelain.  The fact is, it pulls a lot of garbage off the internet, and reaches conclusions based on that unqualified information.  Have any of you had similar experiences?</p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Charles</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Charles Bryan</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Two Ban Chiang Pottery lots in September 20th Carlsen Gallery Auction</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/auction-news-upcoming-auctions-and-auction-results/two-ban-chiang-pottery-lots-in-september-20th-carlsen-gallery-auction/</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 22:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Lots are 302 and 303, and you might miss them if you weren&#039;t looking for them. Lot 303 has more classic Ban Chiang designs (swirling red designs), but Lot 302 is especially interesting for t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots are <a href="https://carlsengallery.hibid.com/lot/314580045/4-prehistoric-ban-chiang-pottery-vessels-with?ref=catalog" target="_blank" rel="noopener">302</a> and <a href="https://carlsengallery.hibid.com/lot/314580046/3-early-to-late-period-ban-chiang-bronze-age-pots?ref=catalog" target="_blank" rel="noopener">303</a>, and you might miss them if you weren't looking for them. Lot 303 has more classic Ban Chiang designs (swirling red designs), but Lot 302 is especially interesting for the unique colors and geometric designs.</p>
<p>Auction permits pre-bidding and ends on Sept 20th. The live auction begins at 10:30 AM eastern time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <title>Chinese Ceramics and Works of Art Online’ Bonhams New York 15-25th September</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/auction-news-upcoming-auctions-and-auction-results/chinese-ceramics-and-works-of-art-online-bonhams-new-york-15-25th-september/</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2026 15:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Hi all - 
Bonhams New York have put this timed auction online, commencing 15th September …
89 lots, mostly ceramics but also some jades, bronzes, furniture, scholars objects, carved amber ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all - </p>
<p>Bonhams New York have put this timed auction online, commencing 15th September …</p>
<p>89 lots, mostly ceramics but also some jades, bronzes, furniture, scholars objects, carved amber and a few textiles and paintings. A number of lots have ‘no reserver’ …</p>
<p>Enjoy viewing via Bonhams auction website page …</p>
<p>Stuart </p>
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                        <title>Mori Hosei</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 22:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I recently acquired this signed Japanese bronze figure of a bijin holding a lantern, attributed to Mori Hōsei (1872–1941), and I would be very interested in any further information about the...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span>I recently acquired this signed Japanese bronze figure of a bijin holding a lantern, attributed to Mori Hōsei (1872–1941), and I would be very interested in any further information about the model.</span></p>
<p><span>The figure is approximately 64 cm high as catalogued, although I have not yet had the opportunity to take my own measurements. It came from a deceased London estate and appears to have been electrified at some point in its history.</span></p>
<p><span>In researching it, I have found a closely related example sold by Reeman Dansie in 2025 for £4,000, and another larger lantern-bearing Hōsei figure sold by Nagel in Stuttgart in 2025 for €16,000 hammer. The lantern arrangements differ between the known examples, which makes me wonder whether Hōsei produced this composition in several variants.</span></p>
<p><span>I would be especially interested in opinions on:</span></p>
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<li><span>whether this is a known Hōsei model;</span></li>
<li><span>whether anyone has seen other examples;</span></li>
<li><span>whether the lantern appears original or period to the figure;</span></li>
<li><span>and whether there is any known connection between this type and Hōsei’s documented 1907 exhibition of a woman with a lantern.</span></li>
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<p><span>I can post further photographs of the signature, underside, lantern fittings and construction once I have the bronze in hand.</span></p>
<p><span>Many thanks in advance for any information or references.</span></p>
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                        <title>diving bird and silk ball</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2026 19:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[The diving bird did it for me, but I liked the silk ball design also. I found these on Ebay listed as Antique Japanese 6.25&quot; plates. The vendor made an offer and I was all in at 59.45. They ...]]></description>
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<p>I first thing I noticed was the weight; they are translucent but the diving bird one weighs 10.4 oz and the silk ball one weighs 9.2 oz. They are a lovely color.  Fuku marks are hand drawn not stamped. They are handpainted with some added gilding in places. </p>
<p>Not sure of the age. They did not speak to me, they shouted, because I love to watch the diving birds drop straight down into the lake. I am very pleased with them and I enjoy searching Ebay for Japanese porcelain. Thank you. Sharon</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/"></category>                        <dc:creator>Sharon P</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Opening bids that do not meet the reserve</title>
                        <link>https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/main-forum/opening-bids-that-do-not-meet-the-reserve/</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I was excited when Peter promoted the Hutsonhill Galleries online auction (which took place today) - he was helping a new dealer with his first auction. I was enticed by the items and the lo...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was excited when Peter promoted the Hutsonhill Galleries online auction (which took place today) - he was helping a new dealer with his first auction. I was enticed by the items and the low opening bid and was going to participate when my first bid was rejected for not meeting the reserve. Rebuked, I then took it off my radar and forgot about it, withdrawing my bid.</p>
<p>Today the auction took place and many items did not sell, which makes me wonder if it was because of the reserves issue. I messaged the dealer to offer my feedback.</p>
<p>When the opening bid does not meet the reserve it feels disrespectful to the bidder, like game-playing or bait-and-switch. Why every auction house doesn't just set the two to the same price is beyond me. Are any of you auctioneers? And do you practice this? And, if so, why?</p>
<p>OK, I will end my rant now.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />Steve</p>]]></content:encoded>
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