Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction - General Discussion Board

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

Shinigami — Sat, 18 Jun 2022 07:21:33 +0000

Thank you William. I won’t sell mine but it’s great to hear they can fetch such prices. Xin gave it to me for a very good price.
I used to be a bit afraid to ask a dealer when they say „enquire for price“ on their website but have learned that the answer can be lower than expected. The same goes for Nicholas Fournery who isn’t as shockingly expensive as I thought, given his beautiful items. A good dealer can be more affordable than an auction or a bidding war on Ebay.

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

William Huvar — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:52:30 +0000

@shinigami

Both pots sold within estimates. The one most similar to yours went for 4410 EUR so you can have an idea of current market value of your jar. Compared to the other Transitional wares in the sale, I think the winners got a decent buy for these quality pieces.

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

Sharon P — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 15:30:26 +0000

@william I enjoyed it.

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

William Huvar — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 15:15:37 +0000

@shinigami

That is so nice! It is funny how certain pieces can grab our attention and interest over lots of other worthy items. I don’t plan on bidding on the jars, I just wanted to start a enjoyable discussion on the forum and learn a few new things.

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

Shinigami — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:27:14 +0000

Have looked in my files, this is what Xin writes about the pattern:

This pattern of three fruits are commonly seen on Shunzhi period pieces. These three fruits represent a general wish of abundance in longevity (peach), as well as in fertility (pomegranate) and peace (apple).

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

Julia — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:15:43 +0000

Could it be the fruit of the prunus whose blossom is so often depicted?

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

clayandbrush — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 10:52:17 +0000

Dear Birgit,

what a nice jar! I do not remember of having seen it before.

The decoration is strange, I can't identify the third fruit. Usually, in the Sanduo motif, besides peaches and pomegranates we have Buddha's hand citron, or lychee. The one on your jar is different. It would be nice to identify it exactly.

Regards,

Giovanni

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

Shinigami — Thu, 16 Jun 2022 09:55:22 +0000

Well remembered, Stuart 👍 Here's the jar that I bought from Xin as Shunzhi. It has a kind of apple as a third fruit but is otherwise quite comparable to the second Sotheby jar, also the same size.

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RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

William Huvar — Wed, 15 Jun 2022 22:02:30 +0000

@clayandbrush

How very interesting! The top part being the more traditional type of Transitional busy, figurative based art work vs. the lower section flower & fruit based decoration.

What I found so so striking about the Paris jars was the design seemed so different from typical Transitional pieces. Like a combination of those earlier Imperial Ming meipings with blue & white fruit designs and the colorful 18th century peach designs on Imperial vases and chargers. All with white backgrounds that masterfully use negative space as part of the overall design.

RE: Two 17th Century Jars; Sotheby’s Paris Auction

clayandbrush — Wed, 15 Jun 2022 21:15:48 +0000

Hi William,

Stuart is, as always, perfectly right.

I have two Transitional Gu vases with this secondary decoration. They are at the end of the fourth page of the Ming/Transitional section.

Here is the link:

https://www.xipangu.co.uk/mangialupo/?product_cat=transitional&paged=4

Regards,

Giovanni