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Thanks for your response. The authenticity of the bronze is not in question. It has already been vetted through the Asian Arts Dept. @ Bonham's with a 1000 to 2000 estimate. 14th Century piece. I'm going to sit on it for now.
P.S. I vetted the Song, Yuan, or Ming??? cup (whatever it is) through Bonham's at the same time as the bronze. They got back to me on the bronze in about 7 working days, it has been over 16 working days on the porcelain and still crickets. Apparently, this piece is causing trouble with the experts there as well.
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As best that I see from the pictures, I am leaning towards your item being in the category of “Qingbai ware”. The paste for this type of is very hard, very white, and has a sugary texture. The typical glaze is transparent with a light blue color. My reference work shows bowls that have been fired on their rims or have been fired on their foot rims. I have never seen both at the same time. Attached are some photos of a Qingbai bowl with carved decoration of boys & foliage in my collection.
I can’t judge the age of your bowl from a set of pictures.
That's great! It looks like a good sized piece, so the estimate sounds low - your plan to wait for a better offer sounds like a good one.
Dear William, Thanks for your very intelligent input. I tend to agree with you. I, likewise, thought it was Qingbai glaze from the start. Did they do Qingbai glaze into the Ming period? I just have a hard time believing this cup is 800+ years old. But the previous owner was a very astute fellow, and several other 400+ year old pieces came out of his estate. He had no heirs.
Yea, It looks bigger than it is. It is only 11.5 cm or a little over 4.5 inches tall though. Originally, it would have been on a raised lotus pedestal base and may have been part of a set of 3. A very rare form for a 14th century bronze buddha. Not terribly expensive, but I will not sell for a penny less than 5500.00. I love the little guy.
@loveli4236 OH! It's a little one! That explains a lot of the perspective of the photos that had me initially concerned. Yes... a rare piece with such well defined features given the size and age. Good on you!
Thanks I like him too. You would die if you knew how much I had in these two pieces. This estate was CRAZY! The UK professor collected a lot and had no heirs. The local estate company that liquidated it had no idea what was what. Here is an example, this vase was priced at 600.00, while the lidded jar was priced at 20.00. Go figure. Both of these are 20th century pieces and sold for far more than the bronze buddha and the Qing-bai glazed cup together. There are still nice things coming out of certain estates that can be had for peanuts compared to their actual market value.
If the bowl is qingbai ware then it might explain the unglazed mouth rim. I've seen qingbai bowls that has both unglazed mouth rim and unglazed foot ring like this example from Bonhams. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/24735/lot/73/
@avatar There you go! It can and does exist on period pieces! So, another good buy I suspect.
I like the Kangxi style triple gourd vase... that's definitely in my wheel house!
Jamie,
I consulted a few more reference works and can’t come up with a definite answer regarding Qingbai production extending into the Ming era. The Song kilns for Qingbai were located in the area that would eventually become Jingdezhen. Yuan period Qingbai wares had evolved into larger, more elaborate vessels and Buddhist figures. The composition of the paste had also changed from Song times. These Qingbai kilns were starting to experiment and perfect the blue and white wares. Eventually, the blue and white wares became wildly successful and overshadowed Qingbai production. By the Ming period, I couldn’t find any references regarding Qingbai wares. I thing it is safe to say that stylistically your bowl is closer to late Song designs. So...Ming Qingbai wares ‘in a Song style’ seems doubtful.
Just thought of something, your bowl could have had it’s base ground down at a later time. This was sometimes done to get a better fit to a stand for display by collectors.
Dear William, I never thought of the chance the foot rim had been altered after firing. Astute possibility.
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